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All Forum Posts by: Matt Foster

Matt Foster has started 12 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Appraisal Came In Way Too Low

Matt FosterPosted
  • Investor
  • Commerce Township, MI
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 13

3 days has past since the OP first asked the question so hopefully this still can be useful.  I'm a Realtor and Investor so I see both sides of this and low appraisals have unfortunately been a common obstacle especially in flips.  I've fought probably a dozen or so appraisals in my career and won 3 of them.  Most people will just go back to the appraiser with different comps and in my experience this never works.  What you need to do is get a copy of the appraisal report and dissect it completely.  These reports are long and in most cases you can find at least 1 factual error.  It doesn't matter what the error is, it can be anything from incorrect square footage on the subject property (or any of the comps) to having a comp incorrectly labeled as having lake privileges.  The appraiser has an obligation to fix factual errors, they do not have an obligation to swap out comps.  Once you find a factual error, it opens the door to you presenting alternative comps.  Here's an example of an email I sent that I was successful in getting an appraisal challenged...hope it helps....

To whom it may concern,  In response to the appraisal on XXXX Woodlawn St. I would like to point several factual errors that in my opinion should open the door for a review and challenge of the value submitted by the Appraiser. 

Factual error #1 - In a recap of the contract, Appraiser notes there is "No" financial assistance provided to buyer. This is incorrect. There was a negotiated concession of $4,500. While this does not impact the opinion of value, it is incorrect and should be noted in a new appraisal.

Factual error #2 - Included Appliances. Appraiser correctly notes the Microwave, Disposal and dishwasher but failed to include Refrigerator, Stove/Range, Washer, Dryer. While this shouldn't have an direct impact on opinion of value, it is incorrect and should be noted in a new appraisal.

Factual error #3 - Comp 1 (216020389) is listed on the appraisal report as having lake privileges. This is incorrect. This factual error impacts the value of property directly and should be adjusted or the comp should be omitted and replaced with a comparable more in line with the subject property.

Factual error #4 - Comp 2 (216011175) is listed on the appraisal report as having lake privileges. This is incorrect. This factual error impacts the value of property directly and should be adjusted or the comp should be omitted and replaced with a comparable more in line with the subject property.

Factual Omission - Appraisal fails to credit subject property with a Shed (located behind the garage).

Other observations:

Comp #1 used in the appraisal should be eliminated completely. Comp #1 does NOT have lake privileges (subject property does), does not have a garage (subject property does), has a basement (subject property on a crawl) and does not have any porch, deck or patio (subject property has a wrap around porch).

Comp #1 is in inferior condition. There is no adjustment made for "Quality of construction." This is easily observed from the pictures in the listing. The kitchen in comparison to the subject property is inferior both in updates and size (10x8 vs 14x11). This has a tremendous impact on appeal and overall value of the two properties.

Comp #1 was listed for 73 days. Subject property was listed for 2 days and received multiple offers.

While the Appraiser does make adjustments for some of these items, it should be determined these are not like properties and making adjustments does not accurately reflect the value of the subject property.   Suggested Replacement Comps:

#1) 215090939

#2) 215065040

#3) 216028328

All suggested comps are 3 bed/1 bath. All are similar square footage. Comp #1/#3 have lake privileges. All comps have garages. None of the comps have full basements. All comps have comparable quality of construction.

Thank you for your attention to the points noted above. I appreciate any considerations you may have in correcting these errors and replacing the comps with properties that are more in line with the subject property. 

Post: First post. Looking for feedback.

Matt FosterPosted
  • Investor
  • Commerce Township, MI
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Scott K.:

combined value is 300k but the rents are 2500?????????????/

Just sell them off.  Get out of those deals.  Take this negative with him passing and get out of those properties.  300k in our market can get you 5-6 properties that would bring in 4500 and also have the risk spread out.

Now is the time to sell.

Get out of those clunkers.

I agree to a point that its an option to sell but probably not the direction I want to go.  Bought them for a combined $192,000 with minimal combined repairs ($17k-ish) so we've done extremely well.  They are obviously great houses in great locations.  I think I can leverage those homes, buy out the 3rd partner and buy more with the remaining cash.  

Post: First post. Looking for feedback.

Matt FosterPosted
  • Investor
  • Commerce Township, MI
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Crystal Smith:

@Matt Foster given your previous success you may want to consider approaching the estate w/ a proposal to continue in the business w/ you & your partner as managers.  Keep them in as silent partners.

 In our case, it won't work.  Estate wants the cash out.  

Post: First post. Looking for feedback.

Matt FosterPosted
  • Investor
  • Commerce Township, MI
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 13

New to BP/ first time poster, so take it easy on me!  Here's my story...

I'm a full time Real Estate Agent in the metro Detroit area. 3 years ago, I partnered up with 2 other guys, formed an LLC and started investing. We each have very defined roles in the company. I handle the real estate evaluations, uncovering opportunities and the buying/selling process. The second parter is our project manager. Once we close on a house, he's responsible for putting a budget together and managing the day to day operations of the repairs. He's able to do some of the work himself but contracts out some of the bigger jobs. Our 3rd partner is the finance/tax manager. He has deep pockets and once we got further along into our business, would be extremely important in funding multiple projects simultaneously.

We started the company by pooling equal amounts of money together to buy our first flip in 2012.  We were very hands on trying to save every penny possible.  We did well, learned a TON and we were off and running!  Fast forward to today and we have bought 11 homes in total.  We've flipped 9 and rented out 2.  We've almost quadrupled our initial investment so I think all in all we've done pretty well.  

This past October though we were thrown a curveball. Our finance partner passed away.  At the time, we held 5 properties 3 of which were 100% privately financed through him. With his passing, we were in a position where we needed to finish the flips and buy out his portion of the business to his estate.  That's where we are still today and I'm here to pick up some ideas from this great community.  

We are in the process of negotiating a buyout for his estate.  With the 2 rentals it's a bit tricky to come up with a dollar amount but that's not my concern.  My concern is how to keep this business rolling forward.  The 2 rentals we have are worth just shy of $300k total (market value) and bring in a combined $2,500 per month.  For easy math sake, let's say the buyout will be $100k.  What I want to do is get financing through a bank and use that to pay off his buyout and keep both houses tenant occupied.  Next, I hope there's enough line of credit left over to purchase a 3rd house and keep this business moving forward.  

Looking for any and all advice what steps should be taken from here.  I've been consumed with this website for the past few days soaking in as much information as I can.  I didn't even know a community like this existed until just recently.  It's been eye opening how many alternative opportunities may exist for us but I'm still not 100% sure what the best course of action should be to keep this business on track without our deep pockets partner.  

I thank everyone in advance and look forward to being a fixture on BP.