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All Forum Posts by: Marty Boardman

Marty Boardman has started 5 posts and replied 291 times.

Post: Buying from Sheriff sales

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Quote from @Miranda Poteet:

@Marty Boardman Hi Marty, would you happen to  have an online source you could recommend for title searches? 


Your most reliable source for a title report is a title company in your area. I've vetted a few nationwide online title search companies, but they are slow and expensive.

Post: Buying from Sheriff sales

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Quote from @Sho Thomas:

I read your reply, and you seem pretty knowledgeable about sheriff sales, so quick question. Let's say it is the HOA that's foreclosing are you still

responsible for the mortgage on the property?  


Yes, the HOA is in second lien position so the underlying first mortgage would have to be dealt with after the auction.

Post: Pre-Foreclosure/ Foreclosure Experiance

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Quote from @Shenell Caldeira:

Aloha!  I am looking at a pre-foreclosure now in Hawaii, how do you contact the bank or what would be the first step?

In the pre-foreclosure phase the ONLY person you can talk to is the owner of the property. That's who you contact to make a deal. As @Chris Seveney noted, the bank won't provide you any info. You're not the borrower and you have no vested interest in the property.

The FIRST step is to verify that there is still an auction date scheduled and the case is active. You don't want to waste time contacting the owner if they're not in foreclosure anymore. You do this by calling the foreclosing attorney (or checking their website). If the case is still active the next step is to make contact with the owner. Write them a letter, track down their phone number to call and/or text and knock on their door. But I recommend waiting to do any of these things until there are 30 days or less left before the sale. By this time the seller is running out of options and will be more willing discount their price.

Good luck Shenell!


 Marty, this is good advice. So only contact the attorney to see if the foreclosure is still active? This is the only question to ask the attorney? What about asking if the seller is motivated/interested to sell? Can the attorney "broker" this deal or not their job?


The only information the attorney will provide you is whether or not the case is active, cancelled or postponed. The attorney works for the bank, not the borrower (homeowner). The attorney won't know or won't care if the homeowner is interested in selling. And no, the attorney can't broker the sale of the property.

It's very simple, if you want to buy a house in foreclosure prior to the auction you MUST deal directly with homeowner. That is the only person/s that can sell you the property. You're wasting your time contacting or speaking with anyone else other than the homeowner/s.


 Understand. I called a few leads for pre-foreclosures. Some attorneys this question was very normal, had a system and prepared, others weren't and said "I need to ask the attorney"

I am simply asking; "I am inquiring about property XX if it is still active in foreclosure"

Is this safe to ask? Anything I can add or more information? What about stage of foreclosure?


All you need to provide is the case number, trustee's sale number, etc. They should be able to look it up in their system and tell you if it's still scheduled for auction.

Ask this..."hello, I was calling about case #1234 or trustee's sale #1234...can you tell me if this is auction is still scheduled for 1234 date...or has it been postponed or cancelled?"

Most attorneys have an automated number or website you can check with the case number to verify. It's only the small, less sophisticated law firms that make you call them and speak to a rep.

Post: Pre-Foreclosure/ Foreclosure Experiance

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Quote from @Shenell Caldeira:

Aloha!  I am looking at a pre-foreclosure now in Hawaii, how do you contact the bank or what would be the first step?

In the pre-foreclosure phase the ONLY person you can talk to is the owner of the property. That's who you contact to make a deal. As @Chris Seveney noted, the bank won't provide you any info. You're not the borrower and you have no vested interest in the property.

The FIRST step is to verify that there is still an auction date scheduled and the case is active. You don't want to waste time contacting the owner if they're not in foreclosure anymore. You do this by calling the foreclosing attorney (or checking their website). If the case is still active the next step is to make contact with the owner. Write them a letter, track down their phone number to call and/or text and knock on their door. But I recommend waiting to do any of these things until there are 30 days or less left before the sale. By this time the seller is running out of options and will be more willing discount their price.

Good luck Shenell!


 Marty, this is good advice. So only contact the attorney to see if the foreclosure is still active? This is the only question to ask the attorney? What about asking if the seller is motivated/interested to sell? Can the attorney "broker" this deal or not their job?


The only information the attorney will provide you is whether or not the case is active, cancelled or postponed. The attorney works for the bank, not the borrower (homeowner). The attorney won't know or won't care if the homeowner is interested in selling. And no, the attorney can't broker the sale of the property.

It's very simple, if you want to buy a house in foreclosure prior to the auction you MUST deal directly with homeowner. That is the only person/s that can sell you the property. You're wasting your time contacting or speaking with anyone else other than the homeowner/s.

Post: Buying a Second Deed at Foreclosure Auction

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Quote from @John Slater:


@Patrick Mahoney - if you shoot me the address in a DM I can check better for you, but this is likely the scenario.

many 2nd's from 2004-2006 era have been sleepy/dormant for a long time.  These were the old ELOC's that you don't see too often now.  They were dormant while the properties had no equity.  When the market increased, especially here in california, these seconds were bought by glorified debt collectors and actually amounted or the majority of foreclosures during covid as they weren't bound by the foreclosure moratorium.  Even 2 years after covid, 2nd's are still be sold off to lenders/debt collectors with their sole intention to foreclosure.

Now, the laws in california...  If you buy the second, yes you own the property, NO the seller has zero right of redemption, however, if bought it as an investment property, at auction, you WONT receive the deed to the property until around day 45!  We have a lovely Newsome bill giving any random person or tenant the right to over bid you within 30 days (except the old owner) if they are going to occupy as there personal residence... No investor can outbid you, only someone using for personal residency.  Any surplus from overage of paying off the 2nd will go to senior liens.  Imagine the homeowner pocking $50k overage and the first sat there saying "What about us?"  The old owner can't make money on the property being sold at auction while senior liens exist.

@Marty Boardman I'm with you! It is not easy to contact the bank and get a payoff for the first!  its possible, once you have a deed in hand (45 days later) and then you're hoping to get to the right person that helps you out.  You do not have access to the borrowers lender.  They do not have a contract with you, it's with the borrower, and privacy rights yada yada dictate the lender is giving up information personal to the borrower to a stranger!... now, being the owner of the property gives you some rights, but no 100%.  The first could eventually foreclosures, and now there's more chance of getting a payoff from the foreclosure trustee versus the lender.  Understand the laws of your state, other states have different laws and it wastes time understanding what might happen in IL, when you are in CA.  


100% right. These lenders have strict protocols in place for releasing this info, not easy to get even if you have the borrower's written consent.

Post: Buying a Second Deed at Foreclosure Auction

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This would be a very risky investment Patrick. As others have pointed out, you'll still be responsible for the 1st lien and it may be very difficult to contact this lender for payoff information after you win the house at auction.

Not to mention dealing with current homeowner. If they don't want to move out you could be in for a long fight (especially living in California).

About the only way I'd consider doing this is if I had a relationship with the current owner, including a signed loan authorization statement for the first mortgage. With this you can make contact and get the payoff info after the sale.

This is not true. It is easy to contact the 1st lender. All you have to do is file a case or, better yet, hire an attorney to so it for you.

You need to make sure of the 1st mortgage balance which includes property taxes, lawyer fees, interest, penalties etc.

Keep in mind, if there is equity in the 1st, the bank will send an attorney to the auction to get the property back. This happened recently. 2nd was 50k, opening bid of 20k. 4 bidders plus the lawyer. 1st was around 150k. Home was worth around 280k.

Bank sent in a fedex messenger with a certified check of $207,852.08 (pay off both loans). Yes, they wanted that property back. No one else went higher than that.

so you can see the 1st mortgage holder would be VERY motivated to talk to you if you won that 2nd. 





I wouldn't say filing a case or hiring an attorney to get the payoff from the first mortgage lender is "easy" Wayne. That sounds expensive and time consuming.

I've had trouble getting this information from a lien holder even with the expressed written permission from the borrower. And if the lender sells the loan that's even worse. I just did a sub-to deal with a homeowner in foreclosure in January. The lender sold the loan and neither the borrower or I can track down where to send the new payment. It's been a nightmare.

Post: Buying a Property that Seller Acquired via a Subject to Deal via Charitable Corp.

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Whether you decide to buy from the LLC sub-to, or pay cash, go through a title company to make sure the seller can legally convey title to you. Then you're covered if anything comes up later.

Does the seller have a POA or loan authorization form for the existing mortgage signed by the original owner/s? If so it shouldn't be too difficult to reinstate the loan and/or pay it off.

Excess proceeds go to the equitable title holder at the time of sale. Not exactly sure how it works in CA, but here in Arizona the party entitled to those funds has to prove they were the property owner.

Letting the house go to auction is the worst possible outcome for the original owner, huge hit to their credit score and the foreclosure sticks with them for a long time. When you reinstate their loan and start making payments again their credit gets repaired very quickly. I've done sub-to deals with homeowners in foreclosure where I reinstated, made 3-4 payments and the owner's score increased by over 75 points.

Post: Finding these leads

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Quote from @Grayson Grzybowski:

@Marty Boardman

Okay thanks for this information. I am currently on a software called "Propelio" that allows me to skip trace to peoples homes. I have reached out to a handful of people that show pending foreclosure homes and I have not got a response from any yet. Most of the calls just go right to voicemail, or say its not a working number anymore.


Before you start contacting homeowners in foreclosure make sure that their case is still active. You do this by checking with the foreclosing attorney over the phone (or look on their website). It's a waste of time (and money) to call, text or mail people that aren't in foreclosure anymore.

These third party companies only publish the original foreclosure notice...they don't track cancelations or postponements.

Post: How to find the lender on a property going into foreclosure

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Quote from @Josh Fulton:

Thank you all for your replies.

So, the bank is foreclosing on this.  I still have 10 days to submit an upset bid?  I'm familiar with this through properties that are being foreclosed on by the county, but properties that are foreclosed on through the bank go through the same process?

The county makes this information available on their website.  For bank foreclosures, I would have to cobble the information together from files held in the Clerk of Court - Special Proceedings?

I have a few more questions, if you all would be so kind.

So, the purpose of a buy something at pre-foreclosure is because the home owner has put in enough equity that the loan on the house is worth far less than what the home is worth, right?  But how do you find out how much the remaining mortgage on the property is?

Also, I thought lis pendens were filed when a foreclosure was taking place.  Why are they filed?

Thank you.

 @Kathie Russell is the expert in NC, I'll let her answer your upset bid question.

Ideally, if there is enough equity in the property you would buy it directly from the homeowner prior to the auction (pre-foreclosure). That way you can negotiate better terms (think sub-to) and you don't have to compete against any bidders at the auction. You have to "guesstimate" what the borrower owes their lender. You do this by taking the principal balance of the loan and amortizing it down from the origination date, then adding the back payments, penalties and interest to that balance. You have to approximate the interest rate and payment amount. BUT, this is much easier to do if you're already negotiating with the homeowner. They will likely have a recent loan statement with this info.

As Kathie pointed out already, there is no Lis Pendens filed for foreclosures in North Carolina.

Post: Finding these leads

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The best source for obtaining foreclosure leads is directly through your county courthouse or recorder. You could also find where Tarrant County publishes these notices (usually a newspaper or website).

You are searching for the NOTICE OF DEFAULT AND FORECLOSURE SALE. This notice usually contains the owner's name, address, auction date, foreclosing lender, attorney, principal mortgage balance and/or judgment amount. With this info you can then skip trace to make contact with the homeowner.

I don't trust third party services to aggregate this data. Most of the lists I see from these companies are out of date and/or inaccurate.

Good luck Grayson!