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All Forum Posts by: Martin Zitzelberger

Martin Zitzelberger has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @JD Martin:

Oh man, sound abatement is something I've studied and experimented with for a long time. I'm also a long-time musician so containing my own noise, and that of others when recording, has always been something to work on.

First question is does the noise just bother you when you are outside, or both inside and outside? Inside the house you can make improvements that will have you not noticing that noise at all. Better windows, heavy curtains on windows, white noise (bubbling indoor fountains) all work well. Adding insulation to walls if the existing insulation is non-existent or poor - blown in cellulose will create a lot of sound deadening. Even changing your siding can make a huge difference. 

If the noise is just when you are outside, you've got 4 options - deflection, diffusion, absorption, disguising. 

Deflection is putting up physical structures that will reflect the noise back where it came from. This is most effective when you can put the deflecting structure closest to you. So if you have a great sitting area, create a sound bubble there by putting a tall solid screen directly behind it. If you can build a solid wall to deflect noise, even better. Even a wood fence will cut some decibels - again, the closer you are to the structure the quieter it will be. Tall vegetation - big trees, shrubs - will also do some minor deflection.

Diffusion - breaking up the sound waves. This can be done with fences, walls, big trees. If you can plant a mini forest between yourself and the source of the noise you'll be surprised how much sound can be diffused (have you ever hiked in a forest that was eerily quiet?). But you have to think thick here.

Absorption - this is soaking up the sound waves. Acoustical mats hanging from fences and walls work well for this. Dead air spaces also work well for this - the principal of building music studios leaves hollow spaces in walls where sound goes to die. There are some pretty impressive industrial machinery acoustical mats out these days that can drop decibel levels by 20-40 decibels, which is pretty significant. Trees and big shrubs will absorb some sound waves. Most physical structures will not unless they are pretty soft - a wood fence will absorb a little bit of sound but a concrete wall will absorb virtually nothing. 

Disguising - this is creating a competing white noise, like a loud fountain outside. You can get fountains that are louder than any noise you're going to hear anywhere, though you don't usually need to go that extreme if you employ this with some of the other methods. 

Also remember that there's a psychological component to all of this. The brain perceives sounds that it cannot determine the source as softer than those it can identify the source. So if you have a nice bubbling fountain and a little forest blocking out seeing anything far away, you will perceive a greater decibel drop than if you can see the highway. 


 Thank you for the really detailed response. I am getting new windows to help on the office bedroom wing of the house. I am an amateur music recording artist as well and have a studio that suffers from the sound so this is great info. I had considered having acoustical mats from the fences. Unfortunately the property declines and the fence would have to be like 40 feet tall to truly block the roads line of site through the trees. You are right, the issue get 100 times worse in my head when I can hear the traffic and see the lights in my backyard. What sort of plants would you recommend? Although all the comments here have helped, there is no way I am staying here long term and will commit to moving whenever it makes sense logistically so planting the forest will probably be an expense better spent in the right house. 

Quote from @Sue Chester:

I think it is something you will get used to in the long run. The new windows will help tremendously. My son lives under a flight path and with triple payne windows, you can't hear the planes. Hopefully you can mitigate it.

I am surprised her mother would not have pointed out the negative of the noise, it can be a very big issue for many buyers. I would have pointed it out to any client as an observation and mention that being so close to a freeway can affect market value or cut out a portion of buyers on resale. I do not like to have unhappy clients telling me after they purchased that I should have mentioned it to them.  Agents have a fiduciary duty to your clients. If the client's are ok with this aspect of the home and move ahead, you did your job by pointing it out. 


 Thanks for the response. I'm not going to spend too much time trying to blame other people other than learning my own lessons. I'm really hoping that it makes a big difference and makes this place bearable until I can sell without loss.

@Rick Albert

Thank you—this is helpful. Unfortunately, my realtor is my girlfriend’s grandmother, whose main priority was getting her granddaughter into a house. I did bring up the noise issue, but it didn’t matter because we were both seeing everything through rose-colored glasses. On top of that, there were several reasons we felt rushed, leading us to overlook the problem. In hindsight, patience is key.

We’re replacing the windows since the ones that came with the house are poor quality and full of gaps.

Right now, I feel the best option is to hold onto the property for two years and try to sell it at a slight gain if possible. What really bothers me, though, is the steep interest payments in the early years. Over two years, I’ll pay nearly $120K in interest—money that won’t be recouped or appreciated. Even in an optimistic scenario where the house appreciates by $200K (which is a stretch), I’d still only break even.

It’s a tough call, and unfortunately, it feels like lenders and agents are more concerned with protecting their own interests than giving truly impartial advice in a situation like this. Heavy lessons learned.

@Jules Aton I disagree, I am in love with the house and property. If it wasn't for the noise I would stay for as long as I could.

@Benjamin AakerSure, there are a handful of reasons this was overlooked. When I purchased the home just before fall, the roads weren’t visible until the leaves dropped. During all my tours, neighborhood dogs were barking—not something that bothered me, but it likely distracted from the overall noise.

The truth is, it was an oversight, and unfortunately, I’m now dealing with the consequences. I was eager to buy a home at the time, and while I’m not certain I’d sell at a loss, I’m also unsure of the best way to evaluate the financials. Since I’ve only owned the home for a few months, I want to make sure I’m running the right numbers before making any decisions. And as far as being a landlord. That sounds great although like I mentioned, The property would not cashflow unless I put a significant amount of money into the principal. 

Many friends have told me that I will get used to the noise. I unfortunately will not get used it as I have had similar experiences in the past. 

if it weren't for the noise it's effectively my dream home. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure how much money I would lose, purchasing a home is a very emotional thing for my, my wife and I find it really hard to get honest answers or comparisons from family or colleagues about how much money it would set us back, so I am only assuming the worst and hoping someone here can advise. I have looked into the windows and currently have a contractor quoting it out, however it is extremely expensive and there are no promises that it will improve the noise.

I recently bought my first home in Thousand Oaks, CA—a huge milestone for me. I’ve lived here my whole life and worked hard to buy a house in my parents' neighborhood, which is the most sought-after area in the city. Having lived nearby for years, I thought I knew the area well.

The house itself is stunning, and the property is beautifully landscaped—truly a dream home in many ways. However, there’s one major issue I overlooked: noise. The house sits near a freeway junction and a busy street, and while my previous rental was also close to the freeway, something about this home's elevation makes the noise unbearablyintrusive. It’s subtle but constant, and I can’t seem to tune it out.

I’m exploring every possible way to mitigate the sound, but the reality is that I can’t change the home’s proximity or line of sight to the roads. I’ve heard from many (non-experts) that I’d need to stay for at least 5-7 years to avoid taking a significant financial hit, but that feels like a waking nightmare given how much this issue affects me.

Financially, renting it out isn’t an easy solution either. My interest rate and purchase price wouldn’t allow for positive cash flow unless I charged an unreasonable rent—or put about $500K toward the principal, which isn't ideal.

I’m a high earner, so I’m weighing my options:

  1. Take the loss ($60K-$100K), buy another house, and chalk this up to a hard lesson learned.
  2. Refinance, put more money into it, and rent it out long-term—even if it’s not immediately profitable.
  3. Invest my money elsewhere and try to make peace with staying here for several years.

Would love to hear thoughts from anyone with experience in real estate, financial strategy, or noise mitigation. Is there a smarter way to approach this? I am new to BiggerPockets, so if I am in the prong place please point me in the right direction

I recently bought my first home in Thousand Oaks, CA—a huge milestone for me. I’ve lived here my whole life and worked hard to buy a house in my parents' neighborhood, which is the most sought-after area in the city. Having lived nearby for years, I thought I knew the area well.

The house itself is stunning, and the property is beautifully landscaped—truly a dream home in many ways. However, there’s one major issue I overlooked: noise. The house sits near a freeway junction and a busy street, and while my previous rental was also close to the freeway, something about this home's elevation makes the noise unbearablyintrusive. It’s subtle but constant, and I can’t seem to tune it out.

I’m exploring every possible way to mitigate the sound, but the reality is that I can’t change the home’s proximity or line of sight to the roads. I’ve heard from many (non-experts) that I’d need to stay for at least 5-7 years to avoid taking a significant financial hit, but that feels like a waking nightmare given how much this issue affects me.

Financially, renting it out isn’t an easy solution either. My interest rate and purchase price wouldn’t allow for positive cash flow unless I charged an unreasonable rent—or put about $500K toward the principal, which isn't ideal.

I’m a high earner, so I’m weighing my options:

  1. Take the loss ($60K-$100K), buy another house, and chalk this up to a hard lesson learned.
  2. Refinance, put more money into it, and rent it out long-term—even if it’s not immediately profitable.
  3. Invest my money elsewhere and try to make peace with staying here for several years or just move.

Would love to hear thoughts from anyone with experience in real estate, financial strategy, or noise mitigation. Is there a smarter way to approach this? I do not know the best category to put this, so please point me in the right direction