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All Forum Posts by: Martin W.

Martin W. has started 3 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Rookie investor - tax and legal advise

Martin W.Posted
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  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

@Martin W.

LLCs are discussed on this forum weekly. Just search the forum, and you will find dozens of threads dedicated to LLCs, insurance, asset protection and all these issues. What you will NOT find is a consensus. Some investors and even some lawyers will advise you against LLCs, some will suggest they're absolutely necessary, and anything in between. It's like trying to get advice on dieting, relationships or Covid. Everybody is an expert these days.

Likewise for general tax strategies. The key word is "general", because quality tax planning is case-by-case and, as you discovered, is expensive. Just like with any other professional service, you can find cheap options, and usually (not always, of course) you get what you pay for.

I also suggest that you reconsider your perspective on buying professional services. You're saying that they "will wipe out your savings." Quite possibly so. This is not the point however. When you're in business, you're buying a lot of things that do not directly translate into savings. Examples: insurance, education, maintenance & repairs, technology etc. They are simply a necessity when running a business. Tax and legal services are of the same variety. And just like with insurance, one day they may save you from a major problem, and you will be glad you invested into it.

@Michael Plaks

Thank you for your response! I know there is a lot of information about LLCs on BP, and that is exactly why I'd like to talk to somebody about my situation. And the same for my tax situation. I'd be very interested to know who I could reach out to for tax/legal advise for rookie investors who do not have an extensive portfolio yet. 

With regards to my perspective on buying professional services, I totally agree with you, and I have no issues getting the appropriate insurance, etc. But for my business I think it's very important that at the end of the line there will be profits and not losses. If my legal and tax expenses are higher than my yearly cashflow, it doesn't make sense to me as I'd be losing money on my investments. Once my portfolio is large enough, then I think it would make sense to work with advisors who charge >$10k, but since my cashflow currently is too low for that, I'd like to know if it'd be possible to get help at an affordable rate for a rookie investor like me. Any recommendation would be very much appreciated!

Post: Rookie investor - tax and legal advise

Martin W.Posted
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  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Peter M.:

@Martin W. I vote no LLC but if you decide to, try to get a series LLC (not allowed in all states). An asset protection lawyer will tell you they all need their own but a series will allow you to have 1 and it will be cheaper

Thanks! Where do you find an affordable asset protection lawyer? I've checked out Anderson and some other well known ones, but their $19k fee is more than my yearly cashflow ;) So my main question is, what are the options for rookie investors like me (who do not have an extensive portfolio yet) to get advise? Does anybody have any recommendations for who to reach out to for legal/tax advise/help?

Post: Rookie investor - tax and legal advise

Martin W.Posted
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  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

@Darius Ogloza, thank you for your response. I'm looking for somebody who can:

  • Advise me on structuring my portfolio: do I need one or more LLCs for my properties in Indiana? Or is that not worth it with only 2 (and hopefully soon 3) properties? And if I need LLC(s), then I will need help with setting them up.
  • Help me with optimizing my tax return for next year (my wife and I both have a W-2, I also have a 1099 from a side gig, and we have the rental properties).

Any help guiding me towards affordable help would be great!

Thanks,
Martin

Post: Rookie investor - tax and legal advise

Martin W.Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

Hi investors,

I'm a rookie investor out of California who currently owns two out-of-state single family turnkey rental properties in Indiana. I'm hoping to expand my portfolio this year by one or two more properties. Both my properties are registered on my personal name and I have an umbrella insurance.

Since I'm planning to expand my portfolio, I'm looking for some tax and legal advise (for my 2021 taxes and to evaluate if I should move my properties into LLCs). However, when I look on legal/CPA websites, the pricing would wipe out my cashflow/gains.

What should a rookie investor like me do? Wait until I have enough properties for it to make sense, or are there more affordable ways to get legal and tax help? Any recommendation would be more than welcome!

Thanks,
Martin

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
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  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Martin W.

Correct, it is highly likely,... as in 99% likely that this will not cashflow over a long term (5+ year) hold. Good on you for asking the question as if you sift through the last 6 months of posts you’ll find hundreds of “help, my AC quit and my property has only profited $600 the last 6 months I can’t afford to fix it!” posts from people who don’t realize that a business plan doesn’t fit into an acronym or instagram story.

Okay thanks, this is very helpful. I will focus on properties with higher rental income.

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Martin W.

Adjust anything? Yes, you should adjust the idea that $100 monthly is “cashflow” when you’re only using 5% as repairs and 5% as cap-ex. $35 monthly for repairs? That’s literally 1/3 the cost to get a licensed _____ in the door let alone parts/ materials to fix the actual problem.

Use minimum 10% for these regardless of what has been done to make this “turnkey”.

Thank you! Yes, the problem is that with $35/month repairs and $35/month Capex (and all other numbers quoted above) there is only a $25/month cashflow left. Since these maintenance and Capex numbers are too low, increasing them to 10% as you suggest will result in a negative cashflow. So it seems like it will not be possible to have a $100/month positive cashflow on a $700/month rental income when taking into account all other costs of a property with mortgage.

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
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Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

 Actual numbers instead of lazy shortcuts.  What a concept...LOL

I appreciate that you take the time to respond to my questions. I'm a newbie and trying to learn here and definitely not trying to be lazy...

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
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  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Kenneth Garrett:

@Martin W.

In general your going to have difficulty financing a property with a mortgage around 50K. Many lenders will not loan less then 100K. Small local banks you can probably get by with 75K-100K. When your calculating rents make sure your using your local market rent. Use multiple sources to confirm the average market rent. Your numbers conceptually are accurate. When it comes to Capex look at the condition of the major appliances or improvements. If your roof has 10 years left in it and as @Joe Villeneuve mentioned a new roof is $5000 then you have 120 months to generate 5000 or 41.67 per month.  Same as a furnace at $2000 and there is 10 years left 16.67 Per month.  I like actual numbers when you can apply them.  

I would move up in price to and see if the rent numbers will correlate higher.  You might find when you look at a 3/1 or 3/2 of 1000-1500 square feet the rents will jump to 1200-1500 which makes your numbers cash flow much better.

Thank you for your response. It will indeed take a very long time before I'd be able to replace a roof with only $35/m Capex. So I will focus more on properties with (potentially) higher rents.

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

Thank you @Joe Villeneuve, I understand that a low rent income won't cashflow higher. My question is: should I adjust anything in the numbers I am presenting? Am I being too conservative with some of these numbers? There are plenty of properties that rent for $700/month, so none of those are cash flowing?

Post: How to run the numbers on a low rental rate property?

Martin W.Posted
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  • Posts 19
  • Votes 6

Hi all,

I'm practicing by running numbers on a diversity of potential properties. When I run my numbers on SFHs with rents >= $900/month my cashflow ends up >$100/month, but when I go down to around $700/month the numbers don't work anymore. I'm trying to get at least $100/month cashflow after expenses.

Here is an example of a property, with my numbers:
Purchase price: $70,000
Rehab: no (turnkey)
Down payment: 20% ($14,000)
Closing costs: $3,500
Mortgage interest rate 5%; loan term 30 years amortizing; monthly payment: $304

Rental income: $700/month (in line with 1% rule)
Property taxes: $96/month (1.65%)
Homeowner's insurance: $50/month
HOA: no
PM: $70/month (10%)
Maintenance: $35/month (5%)
CapEx: $35/month (5%)
Vacancy rate: $56/month (8%)
PM vacancy renewal: $29/month (50% of one month rent)

Total cashflow: $25/month

What am I doing wrong? Or is the 2% really needed for properties of $70k and lower to make it work?

Thank you,
Martin