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All Forum Posts by: Marsay Winder

Marsay Winder has started 8 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: Mobile home financing

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16

@Nick Belsky

Does your manufactured home lender do loans for investors?  I have a property in NC that I'd like to refinance and pay off my private money lender.  I've had a hard time locating anyone who will refi.  The property appraised for 192K last year and I have a 95K note on it with the private money lender.

Post: Manufactured cash out

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16

@William Stewart I'm in the same boat.  I have a property that I want to do a cash out refi on.  Mine is in NC.  If you have any luck, let me know.  I got all the way to the finish line with one lender, and they backed out last minute.  I've called a lot of folks and working on additional inquiries.  Some that I've found that do refinance will only do it on a personal property or second home.  

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I've had a challenging time trying to locate a lender to do a cash out refi on a manufactured home that I own free and clear.  I've either run into lenders who won't touch it all or who will only lend on primary residences or 2nd (vacation) homes.  The property is on a permanent foundation and has never been moved.  Does anyone know of lenders who lend in this space? 

Has anyone completed a transaction with Dominion lately?  I have a couple of quotes for a refi with great terms but one of my other lenders spoke poorly about them. Trying to get some objective feedback on anyone who has completed a deal with them.  

You can always try a mortgage broker and they will have a portfolio of lenders who can help you out. I had a similar problem a few years ago where I had to cash out my seller quickly and a broker helped me out. Of course you will pay more for it at closing but in a pinch that's an option. Much better than paying penalties to a HML

I own 4 such rentals where I rent by the room and in one city the rule is 4 unrelated persons and in another it drops down to 3.  Apparently, way back in the day landlords would have 12 people in a 3 bedroom house so they cracked down.  I think they went overboard but you did the right thing in checking codes first.  I found out about the 3 bedroom rule when a city inspector came knocking on the door and my PM got a phone call.  Fortunately I was still able to cash flow but I had planned on 5 based on word of mouth from other investors.  I went from a cash cow to a marginal investment.  

You are doing the right thing by doing your homework.  I was fortunate because I almost learned the hard way.  That said, the model only works if the law allows it and ever locality is different. 

Post: Duplex BRRRR property

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16

@Ryan Copeland I don't see deals like that every day lol. I come across them sometimes with off market deals but nothing on the MLS.

Post: Duplex BRRRR property

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16

@Ryan Copeland

One side rents out for $835 and the other for $915.  

Post: Lessons learned from my first BRRRR

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16
BeforeAfter

I did my first BRRRR deal back in 2017 and paid all cash for it at through a wholesaler (source of funds - HELOC). The deal was a fourplex and had 3 tenants at time of purchase but the rents were well below market value. I took the opportunity to renovate one of the units and did a pretty hefty overhaul that cost me about 20K. During that renovation, a second tenant moved out. Since I was already working on one unit, I opted to add new flooring, tile, and paint to the second. Nothing major, about 3K worth of work to get it rented out and to increase rent amounts. After renovations, the property appraised for 98K and allowed me to pull most of money back out.

Lessons learned from my first refinance:

1. I took out a 10 year not on the property instead of stretching out payments to increase cashflow.  While this would give the property free and clear much faster, it would not allow me to utilize leverage to my advantage.

2. I went after the interior first and not the exterior.  The renovated unit was really nice and the rent went up from 500 month to 650, but the return on these repairs would take forever to recapture.  Had I gone after the outside first, I believe I would have gotten a more significant bump in the first appraisal and cut down my renovation budget from 20K on the unit to about 10K.  

3. Working in my business and not on it.  At first, I did some of the demo work on my own after receiving sticker shock from some of the contractor bids (I grew up in construction, built my own home, and my father is a contractor).  While I was capable, I used up a precious commodity - time.  

Fast forward two years later, I opted to add new vinyl siding and vinyl windows. I put about 30K into the siding and windows on this go around. This bumped my ARV amount to 120K and I was able to refinance again and pull most of my repair money back out.

Lessons learned from the second phase

1. Double payments from having to do two closing transactions.  Ouch!!  If I had it to do over, I would have combined the two and worked smarter.

2. Systematically increase rents.  When I purchased the property, the pro forma for the four units rented out for 1735/mo.  We have systematically increased the rental amounts and showed our tenants the value ads to the property and currently we are receiving rents at 2165/mo.

Overall, this property taught me a ton.  There were several headaches and growing pains, but thankful for the experience.  It helped me tremendously as we've grown to 5 properties with the goal of adding 1-2 more before the year is out.  

Post: Rental Property #5!!!

Marsay WinderPosted
  • Hampton, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 16

@Shardae Robinson correct I'm renting rooms out of this one.  Best wishes to you as well!