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All Forum Posts by: Marlon Johnson

Marlon Johnson has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Purchasing First Property - Financing

Marlon JohnsonPosted
  • Snellville, GA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Chris Mason:

It's mortgage fraud...

And unnecessary. Live there for a year. Boom, you fulfilled your promise and can convert it to a rental without restriction. 

Exactly what it sounds like which is why it doesn't sit well with me. Thanks for the direct response.  

Post: Purchasing First Property - Financing

Marlon JohnsonPosted
  • Snellville, GA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 0

I've heard that for your first investment property, it is better to not disclose to the lender that you are actually purchasing an investment property, but to tell them that you are purchasing a primary residence or second home. The thought behind this is attempting to get more favorable loan terms as it relates to interest rate, down payment, etc.  

Does anyone have any insight in this area? 

Originally posted by @Nicholas Lohr:

@Marlon Johnson my first was a duplex. Here is a link to a thread with the full story.  See middle of the page for my full description. https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/427862-questions-about-brrrrr-method

I have 14 now. (9 apartments, 2 houses, 2 townhouses and 1 convenience store) 

 When you say 9 apartments, do you mean individual units, like a condo units or do you mean apartment buildings? If you mean the former, what challenges have you encountered. A friend of mine that owns a few rentals strongly recommended against owning condo units for various reasons but I am realizing that everyone has their own niche. One will love something while another hates it. 

Originally posted by @Matt P.:

@Marlon Johnson I have done exactly what your describing. Cash purchase on the front end and fronted the rehab costs too. Once I leased it up and waited 6 months from purchase I took it to a bank and got all of the cash back and then some. Then you just keep rolling it into the next one.

If you aren't looking to take anything more than you paid for it out you can refi sooner. There are also threads on here about guys putting the rehab costs on the HUD so they can refi those out before 6 months too. Lots of possibilities out there.

 Seems like it's easier that way, if you have the cash to do it. Definitely lots of possibilities and I am realizing that more the more people I listen to on the subject. Thanks for your help!  

Originally posted by @Nicholas Lohr:

Most new investors don't have even close to enough cash to buy a piece of real estate without borrowing. I know I sure didn't. 

But to answer your question, yes it could make sense to do that if you have the cash. Don't forget you need the cash to do the renovations too.


 So I am thinking to go in with cash for purchase and repairs, get a tenant under lease, then go to the bank with solid numbers and pull my cash back out to do the same thing again. Definitely more risk, as stated by Frank but I have time on my side because I won't have a mortgage to pay initially. I can take my time repairing and vetting tenants without having to worry about carrying a mortgage. I have a partner that can put some cash in the pot, but we don't want to be cash poor either, which is one of the reasons that it may be better using other people's money. But as I stated initially, the plan would be to put a mortgage on the property after rather than using a mortgage to acquire the property. 

Nicholas, how did you get started? How did you acquire your first property and how many do you own now? 

When hearing discussions around BRRRR Investing, I never seem to hear many details on what options are available for purchasing the first unit. Would it make sense to pay cash for the first unit, then refi after acquiring a tenant? It seems like a traditional lender would be more inclined to do a cash out refi on a unit owned outright with a paying tenant. Thoughts?