Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Mark S.:
Personally I always go with better markets, high demand areas with expected future equity increases. On the other hand, I buy in cash or pay at least 50-60% of what I'm buying and pay it off that year or the next.
So far I have 10 properties free and clear and bring in around 14K in rents per month (168K annually). I'm in talks right now for number 11, which I submitted an offer on. If a deal is reached, I'll be putting down at least 130-140K upfront and paying it off fully next year.
I have a high paying day job. One day I won't - and when that day comes I don't want to have numerous mortgages hanging over my head. That's why I buy the way I buy. It's more of a nest egg when I don't want to work any longer - and a cash-out when the times comes to retire.
Also, my equity has skyrocketed with the crazy market. I mean, I have condos I bought at 140 going now for 250+, townhouses that I got for 250-270, going for 350-450. My equity growth has been as mesmerizing as the cash flow. And I only started buying in mid-2018.
You really like to spend a lot of your own money don't you.
How much of that "mesmerizing equity growth" did you pay for?...and isn't really growth?
...and most of that CF you love is still paying you back for what you spent on the property (all cash and/or cash payoffs from your pocket). That "cash flow" isn't profit until you recover all of your cash you put in from the cash you get out (cash flow).
Based on your numbers above:
1 - I'm taking the average of the TH and Condos = $195k per property (I'll round that off to $200k...just because I'm sure you had other out of pockets)
2 - $200k properties x 10 = $2M in cash you spent buying them.
3 - $14k/m in rent - T/I (assuming $6k) = about $8k actual CF/month x 12 months = $96k/year (call it $100k)
4 -
$2M in cost = 20 years to recover your cost and start making a profit.
$100k/yr
Your numbers are off and you are POORLY misinformed. My PROFIT is 14K a month.
Last year I made around 170K in rent revenue. Based on your logic, I would make back my investment in 10-12 years. I'm still pretty young, I can wait that long standing on my head, maybe you can't. Patience is a young man's game some say.
Your remind of a guy I knew. I remember starting one of my internet companies in 2003 with almost no money invested. I coded and designed the whole thing. I was basically a kid. A partner I had pulled out in 2005, told me it would take 10-15 years to make our business huge. He left in 2005, I stuck around and kept it going, I sold the business in 2017 for millions and began my investments.
And yes, the equity is REAL. I sold a condo last year, that I purchased in 2018 for 145, for 270 - as is.
Not everyone can buy how I buy because you need the money to do so. My day job allows me the salary to do so. Some invest in stocks, crypto, etc. I invest in real estate and small businesses.
I have a family to think about. I could go to my grave tomorrow with no worries, because my wife won't have any mortgages, loans or liens to worry about. She can focus on our kids, not scramble for work, and has a full cash flow raining in. That's my main motivation more than anything.