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All Forum Posts by: Mark Tomseth jr

Mark Tomseth jr has started 1 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Hey Kelly - I haven't taken any action. We decided to take our time, do some fix up, pay down debt, and wait until the city does an update project with sidewalks and bike lanes.

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

@Robert Bowles & @Grant Schroeder AH! Thank you so much! Yes I am working on getting information to the lender but they have a long turnaround and with the potential of them saying "no" I want to have alternatives ready to go as surveyors are expensive and they are backed up months with many projects so I want to get as prepared as possible. All the answers have been helpful so I appreciate your time and sharing information. If I actually get this done, I'll make sure to share the outcome. 

Post: Airbnb Rentals Ideas

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Hi Jonathan! Don't know why they hassle on the terminology. I figured you are using AIRBNB as a general term for STR right? Kind of like Kleenex and Qtip. Anyway have you got any good insight? I too want to look into STRs. So far I have been using AIRDNA to check out areas. They have a free "rentalizer" tool you can plug an address in to get an idea for gross revenue and you can purchase some regional data as well. I've been watching a lot of "Robuilt" on youtube and he has some good information. Good luck and please share your story if you find something.

FYI - We tried to buy STR in Bend by house hacking and we are trying to figure it out with all the permits you need. Definitely a learning process!

Post: Bend Oregon investor

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Congrats Harold! Can you share any more details? Any elaboration how you found it and emphatic response on no realtor?

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:

@Mark Tomseth jr If have but when the current owner plans to keep a portion of the property all mortgage debt gets paid with the first outparcel transfer, either from proceeds or proceeds + out of pocket.

If I am understanding you correctly (slow kook/noob here) you have done it or no? I did try to call the mortgage holder buy you only get to talk to people that can't answer your questions. I have to write a letter and wait for months to hear a response. I am relenting to just do both at the same time. 

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:

Simply subdividing the land would not be a breach of the mortgage... the lender's secured interest in the entirety would not be affected. 

But none can be sold without a release. So because the process is ultimately going to require either a partial or full release from the lender, the reasonable question I see repeated in this thread is why do things in reverse order? 

Thanks Tom. I guess I was considering doing it in reverse order because I was hoping to avoid the word "no" by just dividing it and then refinancing with the new lot designation. Based on everyone's feedback it sounds that is not a way to go. Do you have any examples of someone doing it?

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Dividing is different than building an addition or ADU. When you divide a lot, you change the legal description of real estate that has a lien on it. You will need their permission and they will need to do a partial mortgage release or refinance the loan. I don't think it is wise to attempt this without their permission or knowledge. This is not an uncommon request, so they will have a process to help you work through it.

Thanks Joe. You kind of answered what I was getting at(when you noted that it wasn't uncommon), which is what I was hoping for. My fear being, if I ask, they can say no and i'm outta luck. I was also hoping to hear, if I subdivide(but don't sell), I could refinance the home with the new lot designation. I've been googling and searching forums and can't find any examples of people dividing their lots with a standard conventional loan. I was hoping some people had examples and how they did it.

Post: Lot Split With Mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Dang. Sounded like a good opportunity, but there are plenty more!

Post: Lot Split With Mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Hey Mike - Did you end up dividing the lot?

Post: Dividing lot with a mortgage

Mark Tomseth jrPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Bend, OR
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Venu Vedre:

Assuming your lot is not part of any Neighborbood/HOA etc, Yes technically possible as long as the lender is good with it. I would definitely let them know ahead of time , about your plans to subdivide and see if they are on-board.

If yes then next step is to hire a Surveyor(to see easements/boundaries) then go to a local Civil engineer to come up with a site plan making sure there is access to all lots. Once it is subdivided then you will get separate parcel ID's/titles for those. Last step is to inform lender so they can do a appraisal again for the specific existing lot and do a re-finance the loan.

What if I notify/ask them and they say no you can't?  If I don't ask, I divide it, and then refinance/sell - what's the difference? Am I missing a major detail?