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All Forum Posts by: Markos Gerges

Markos Gerges has started 2 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: Noob - looking for connections and opportunities.

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Ryan Kaplan

Hi Ryan, I think your background gives you a HUGE advantage into becoming a real estate investor. I think you should start quantifying your goals further, you say you want a 2-4 unit property but where and what returns are you looking for? You don’t need to necessarily stay in Detroit for good returns, I see great returns in the suburbs just a way more difficult process of acquiring properties.

Once you fully quantify your goals then you can proceed with your search & networking to find deals!

Message me if you ever need any advice.

Post: Line of Credit in Michigan

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Chad Harter:

@Markos Gerges just to confirm. Your home was in an LLC or in your name?

No the property was underneath my name (bad business practice), I am planning on transferring it underneath my LLC this month. I don't think that would have an impact on your eligibility to get a HELOC. The bigger thing is your equity stake in the property, how much of the mortgage do you have left etc. The property I did it on was fully paid off.

Post: Challenging all deniers..Detroit Economy & Market are ON FIRE!!!

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by @Benjamin Molnar:

My wife and I have made a couple of trips to Detroit.  There are a lot of good neighborhoods but, if you haven't been there, be wary of what someone is trying to sell you.  It literally changes street to street.  While you may be able to find a deal, find property management, good luck trying to find reliable and responsive contracting work.  I'm not a fan of these services but, we received zero response from inquiries made on Thumbtack, Houzz, Home Advisor, etc. and there is very little online presence from contractors that handle metro Detroit.  I'm assuming no one wants to provide the itemized estimate I've requested. 

Also, I wouldn't explicitly cite this as evidence but, I've seen a lot of "deals" on the MLS that are rehabs that are half done and now the owner is trying to get out. No idea what the actual reason is but, if they weren't able to follow through, do you want to take on that risk?

Turnkey companies have people they work with but, they typically guard the people they work with so they can charge additional fees (obviously).  The problem is you don't know if you're getting quality, licensed work or whoever was in the Home Depot lot that day.  We saw really bad work when we did a tour with one turnkey company there - not what I would want for a home I would want to own - hoping to achieve appreciation - and not the kind of work that would attract the quality of tenant that we're personally looking for.

Also, it's important to consider the micro/macro factors that introduce risk.  There's not a lot of money for realtors in these $25-50K deals so you'll need to find someone really hungry who will really give your deal full attention.  You'll likely need to find someone who's offering additional services to make it worth their while and hope that they don't get distracted by the next investor with a stack of cash burning a hole in their pocket.

As pointed out by a colleague, there is a LOT of inventory there.  Investors are coming in globally for the promise of cheap homes that rent for $700-900.  What's likely not part of the sales pitch is that rents are rising faster than incomes (I wonder why?).  We're seeing some evidence of potential economic instability nationally (i.e. stock market correction) that may affect an area that's still in recovery.  If the population is declining as some in this threat have argued, is the timing right to invest with the additional instability that an election year brings?  

I think there was a time when you could buy an amazing house in a great neighborhood for $20-30K and see $100,000 appreciation - I have a few of neighborhoods in mind - but, I think the market is starting to level out at this point. There's no evidence that price per square foot has increased dramatically - consistently - over the last three years within the better neighborhoods we've been looking in. MLS listings are artificially high in my opinion.  You really need a great wholesaler to bring you a great deal.

All that being said, I think there is opportunity in Detroit but you better have a good team in place and you better have a great grasp of where you're investing. I would question why people are so ready to promote Detroit as the next gold rush if they're already making so much money there - I would argue they need to keep the money to keep flowing. If that's potentially true, you should ask what the nature of the demand is - is it organic and sustainable or is it being driven by speculation? Why would you want to live in Detroit? What is there (employer mix, entertainment, quality of life) that would provide value to you as a resident that supports long-term sustainability and growth? I believe long-term that great ROI is possible but, it could be expensive in the short-term if you don't invest with eyes wide open. Just because you read a book on long-distance real estate investing, it doesn't mean that you can easily execute that strategy in Detroit.

 Unfortunately, as much as I do love the city of Detroit I cannot advocate for it in this context. You hit everything almost spot on, it is entirely true, that contractors are extremely unreliable and unresponsive within the city. Finding a good property manager is a very difficult struggle as well. In terms of instability I agree, Michigan and Detroit being the main factor in this was identified recently as the most corrupt state in the United States. The amount of scandals that occur far passes that of other states. Turnkey companies are lucky because they do have their own people which in return ends up being premiums on the final sales price of properties.

https://www.metrotimes.com/new...

Demand is extremely speculative, everyone who invests in Detroit will argue against this but, what happened during the last recession? People were betting that these homes they were buying would continue to appreciate. Same thing people are doing NOW who hold onto properties in the nicer neighborhoods in Detroit such as Bagley, University District, etc. The next market-correction will be a real eye-opener for all the Detroit investors. This city is setup to get hit hard again when it does occur. 

Now regarding employer mix, entertainment and quality of life. I think the employer mix in Detroit is very sustainable, there will always be cars and the amount of jobs related to the automotive sector is huge in Detroit. Regardless, the area does have a quite diverse industry setting. I actually would love to move to Corktown and work at the train station that Ford bought in recent years. The entertainment in Detroit is very lively, it may not be a Chicago or a New York but you have many options in that regard. The thing that I can agree to and feel strongly about is quality of life, for a family it doesn't support long-term growth and sustainability. The crime is extremely high, the school quality is horrible and public services are near non-existent. Unfortunately, for most of the residents they're living in the city because they cannot move out. The city has been transitioned to have more renters for a reason.

I think strong ROI's can be achieved in many different markets. You have to put in a ton more effort but, you can buy a home for 40-50k in other markets that will rent for $950 that have way more stability.

Post: Line of Credit in Michigan

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Chad Harter

LTV was 75% of appraised value. Appraised value is important in this context because many HML will do purchase price which is significantly lower. They charged me an additional 1% on my prime to margin because it was an investment property.

Post: Line of Credit in Michigan

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Chad Harter

Hey Chad! I actually got a HELOC with Huntington Bank. Their rate kind of sucks so it may not work with everyone.

Post: HELOC on rental property

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Andrew McManus

It was very difficult to get it on a rental property and took about 4 weeks in total for the entire process. I ended up doing it with Huntington bank but they are only in the Midwest. A lot of banks will reject you, I just recommend calling as many as you can until you find one that can do it for you.

Post: City Certified Rental - Michigan

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Matt Everling

It really varies typically from the time you apply for the rental.

Post: City Certified Rental - Michigan

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Margeaux Appold

The property is known to be vacant by the city, identified by the bright yellow sticker on the window or the door.

These properties can’t be occupied until all inspections are passed.

There are quite a ton of properties that are not tagged and won’t need that many inspections. In that case they’ll only do one inspection which is typically a quick walk-through to make sure everything is good.

Also I should mention I’m speaking on the SE Michigan market I’m not well educated on the other regions.

Post: City Certified Rental - Michigan

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Margeaux Appold

A rental has to pass city inspections before you can rent it out. Depending on the city they have different types of inspections that they will come and do on your property. As an example in Warren if you are tagged you are looking to do 3-5 inspections which run typically up to $1200 .

Post: Investing in Detroit

Markos GergesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro-Detroit
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 14

@Madison Loftis Unfortunately its extremely difficult to find a property with minimal rehab in those areas that Alex is mentioning you have to keep in mind that house flipping is really hot in those areas because investors come and buy a property for 60k put 30-40k into the home and sell for 150-180k. These are not light rehabs, they are quite heavy duty. Why not start in the suburbs and find something that only needs cosmetics or light rehab for your first property?

I'm quite aggressive with my numbers since we've been doing this for some time so it may not be a good comparison. If you ever have any questions please feel free to message me.