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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: New to financing with OPM

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Thanks Paul …. That’s very interesting.  Will definitely check out the ‘Fruitful’ content you referred to.  Cheers.  It also sounds like what I’m considering offering would potentially a very good value to investors.   It only works however if I can scale and use the system to get into larger deals in time.  Interesting stuff.  Thanks.  

Post: New to financing with OPM

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Thanks Amadeusz, yes, I've just started checking out a few of those Canadian podcasts.  I'm still getting acquainted with BP ... I see that we are connected now.  Thanks.  What is the best way to contact you off this thread ... I'd like to set up a meeting with you and learn about what mortgage vehicles might work best for us.  We are in Niagara currently (Wellandport), but lived in the Bloor West Village for 15 years back in the music days.  I can meet you in the Hammer no problem.  

Post: New to financing with OPM

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Hi Amadeusz, thanks for the reply.  No we have not partnered to date.  Also everything we purchased over the years was done with LOC ... never had a mortgage before.  I was a pro musician when I started investing and was laughed at when I approached the bank back then.  So my first property back in 2001 was made possible with a $78k loan from my parent's LOC.  Paid that back ASAP to build some equity and purchased others and eventually set up my own LOC.  Because of my previous career and its lack of stability I took a less traditional path with investing.  Anyway I'm learning a lot from what I'm reading here and the several books on the subject lately.  I will investigate active and passive JV agreement.  Thank you.  

What area of the GTA are you located in?  Thanks.

Post: New to financing with OPM

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Thanks Chris for the comment.  I’m not sure if it’s something that would work or not.  Perhaps not with an experienced or active investor.  However I know of some friends who are Doctors and the like who always wanted to get into it but don’t have the time … or know how.  For investors like that this might be an interesting vehicle.   I think the lack of cash flow and delayed return would be aided by the fact that they would get their investment out at the first refinance, and the fact that I would take care of returning their investment before paying myself.  After that they would own a passive 40% of a rental that would pay them a tax free gain every few years.  Perhaps even more if it were converted to condo …. 
Not sure … I may just reach out to some friends in that income class and get their thoughts.  Good idea.  Thanks again Chris.  

Post: New to financing with OPM

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Hi there, I'm new to Bigger Pockets, and a total noob when it comes to investing with other people's money and raising capital. I have been an investor for over twenty years and currently have 30 rental doors, 4 STR properties, and have flipped about 12 homes in the past few years. So nothing too exciting but definitely a few ends under my belt. With my 50th birthday approaching I've decided to take it to the next level and hit it hard even in these weird economic times. Everything I've done to date is with LOC financing ... and for the first time in 20 years I'm feeling the pain because of the rates. We are located in the Niagara Region of Ontario Canada, and we have a good track record for buying distressed and quick closing deals. I'm also a licensed builder but usually only build on our own deals (on spec) when development or rebuild is viable. Our rentals always improve the neighbourhood and rent well, for full market value and we have great tenant retention. We buy as a corp.

A common property in our region is the small multiplex (3-10 units), they are usually tired and miss managed with rent below market value and VTB is sometimes available.  The typical tired rental.  These deals seem to come across my desk quite often sometimes with one or more tenants that need to be evicted ... so lets consider that target for this conversation.  What are your thoughts on the following hypothetical deal scenario.  Again, never raised private capital for a deal before.  


- Purchase price $600k

- ARV $750k with rents that will cashflow well once stable.

- passive investor puts in 30% cash for down payment in return for 40% ownership

- deal provider (Me) puts zero cash in but finds, secures and manages the deal, bank financing and 100% of the property management

- bank mortgage for 70%

- closing costs split 50/50

- capital improvements split 50/50

- all monthly positive cash flow (profit) as well as 60% property ownership goes to the deal provider (me).

- first refinance (year 3-5) get investor's 30% investment out (before I take any equity) so we can do it again!  At this point neither of us have cash in the deal.  Every refinance after that we split 60%/40% ... until we decide to sell or bequeath.  The hope would be that I would repeat this many times of course with multiple investors and eventually use property management when it becomes too much to handle effectively.  

In this scenario I'm giving up a lot of equity but feel I could scale my business and eventually move this into larger multi family deals.  

Is this a bad idea?  What am I missing?  Thank you in advance! 

Post: We made our first offer - Tell us how we did

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Always good to remember that you make your money on the purchase … and … the deal of a lifetime comes around about once a week.  Way too tight for me.  Best of luck with the next one.