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All Forum Posts by: Mark A.

Mark A. has started 5 posts and replied 42 times.

Originally posted by @Shannon Slade:

DO NOT let them start you down this road!!!  They did not have a problem when they signed the lease and usually when we are meeting to sign a lease the tenants are wondering through the house figuring where to put furniture.  These tenants sound like a potential nightmare waiting happen at your expense.  Consider giving them their money back with an admin fee to keep! Good luck

I agree Shannon. Thank you for solidifying that for me. I will definitely keep this in mind 

Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

@Mark A. this is not an unusual situation. I manage over 200 units and we sometimes miss stuff during the cleaning process.

What I recommend is that you apologize for not getting it in tip-top shape and offer to knock a little off their rent. In my area, a cleaner would cost $20 - $25 an hour and should be able to dust and mop in just a few hours. An offer of $50 would be fair and an offer of $100 would be generous. Go with your gut and treat them the way you would want to be treated.

I ask my tenants to report any problems immediately so I can remedy the problem. They rarely do. When I offer to make it right, they generally reject the offer. They mostly want to be heard and want me to know they will be good tenants and take care of things. That's a great time to send them a Starbucks card or something as a thank-you.

When tenants rush me, I make it very clear that the unit may not be up to the highest standard of cleanliness and they will have to accept it. When I tell them this up front, they are much better prepared and forgiving.

Moving can be very stressful and your tenants are probably just high-strung. Treat them well and give them some time to calm down and it should work out.

 Thank you for such a well thought out response Nathan.

I will definitely go and do that. They have a wedding in a few weeks so I might just surprise them by picking something up from their registry at that price point.

Thank you again Nathan!

Originally posted by @Anthony Hurlburt:

One option would be to provide a gift certificate of some kind.  So it's not acknowledging that the unit was dirty, but that you appreciate them as a new tenant.

This sounds good! Thanks anthony  

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

if you go in now and clean the tenant will have accomplished the first step in training the landlord's.  

 So I shouldn't even offer to pay for it? I completely understand not being a landlord they can walk over. But what actions can I take now without letting them think they can step over me

Originally posted by @Joe Hughis:

@Mark A. Gotcha.  Given that, you can either hire a cleaner to quickly address the situation (if you do that, make sure to have it noted that your tenant agrees to this solution and you get their completion acknowledgement), or you can take the hard-line of saying they have already signed and taken possession of the unit.  Personally, I think hiring a cleaner would be the easier route and is a minor expense in the grand scheme of things.  Also, it will promote better relations with the tenant in the long run.  Hope it all works out for you! 

Thanks Joe! The tenants are almost done cleaning so I think it may be too late. I'm not sure yet. But that is something I can definitely offer to them.

Should I also offer to reimburse their cleaning supplies or am I overthinking too much? 

Originally posted by @Michael Boyer:

I find a hurried turn-around actually takes longer and costs more in the end. And the post mentions it was "as thorough job as we could" and sounds like you may have been under some time pressure.

There is a good lesson that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure (i.e., doing everything before they move in). 

Now, what to do--if the tenant is being reasonable and accurate--you may have some call back work to do. You have to be  the "make ready" man after the move-in (which can always add an extra step of working around the tenant and their stuff)...

First, I like your photo and documentation idea as a first step. 

I would look at taking the abstract "not ready" complaint down to a more precise punch list compiled by you and the tenant. 

If the items are reasonable (clean this, replace that, fix that), I would probably carry through on it to retain the tenant and try and do-over on-boarding. If the tenant is being unreasonable, I may look at offering a mutual lease termination.

Bigger picture, it may be an opportunity to look at your turn around procedure, tenant on-boarding or maybe even tenant selection if you got an unreasonable one...

Best of luck!

 Thank you for the detailed response Michael! 

The turnover and cleaning was done on an extremely tight window of time. But I feel next time I may simply hire a professional cleaning service- my friends suggest otherwise as they say cleaning services will always leave something undone. 

Everything in the unit is working. The only thing the tenant is complaining about is it being dirty(we swept and mopped several times). They're currently cleaning it and are just telling me how it's slowed their move in progress. 

I feel bad and just can't really put my finger on it. We cleaned it up as good as we could and I'm sure it wasn't as dusty and dirty as they're saying it is but they're currently cleaning the unit up themselves.

Do I offer to reimburse them so we can get off to a better start? Wouldn't want something like this to taint the relationship.

Originally posted by @Jeff B.:

Y O U should have taken the pictures and had the tenant sign a Move-In check list (see TOOLS menu->

https://www.biggerpockets.com/files/user/JOBEARD/file/move-in-and-out-chklist

)

 I do have pictures! It looks clean as hell in the images too! Unfortunately, I did not get a move in check list and this is my fault. I realized immediately where my errors were and am trying to mitigate and fix these errors at the moment. 

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Give them the name and number of a cleaning service.

 Do I pay out of pocket myself or is it now on their pockets?

Originally posted by @Joe Hughis:

Did you do a walk through with the client before then signed the lease agreement?  It's not a requirement in many states, but it sure is a good way for you to receive documented acknowledgement of delivery by the tenant as well as providing a baseline to assess any possible deductions on their good-faith deposit upon their exit.  

Yes. I did a thorough walk through. Although we didn't inspect each object for dust, its all in working condition.

The only problem is that it's not dust free in the places they're checking. 

Just had new tenants move in. We fixed it up and painted it. Sweeped and mopped the floors. Cleaned the floors and fixed everything that needed fixing.

The tenant comes in to sign the paperwork and loves it. Within a week, I get complaints about the floor being dusty and how it's not move in ready. They go on to say that it has halted the move in progress. 

Although it wasn't professional cleaned, it was cleaned by my friend and me. We did as thorough as a job as we could with the time frame we were given.

What would you advise me to do in this situation? I requested the tenant to document and take pictures so I have proof but for the most part, I told them I would waive the cleaning fee at the end of the lease.

Any suggestions and advice is greatly appreciated.