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All Forum Posts by: Mario Mach

Mario Mach has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Hey guys,

I've been considering buying a condo in NY for $<500K. There's a healthy supply of units but I noticed that each one generally comes with a monthly HOA/maintenance fee of $1000+.

So let's say you buy a studio for around $300K, the HOA is generally around $1500. With the mortgage, you're looking at paying $2000/mo after your 20% downpayment.

But once your unit is fully paid off (30 years), you're still paying the $1500 maintenance fee. Is there a point in even buying since you could just rent for a comparable place without the downpayment?

Or am I missing something here?

How is the U-District area? I think its attractive because it's not too far from downtown, its close to the bridge which will get you to eastside. And there's a school nearby which helps with finding tenants. 

Originally posted by @Michael Haas:

The drawbacks of house hacking are the same as the drawbacks of almost every other wise financial decision, such as not buying new cars, not going into credit card debt, or investing in your 401k. Just like your friends with massive credit card debt may have nicer clothes than you do, your friends who aren't house hacking will have more space, privacy, and comfort in their own home. From the outside looking in, it will look like your friends are wealthier and more comfortable than you are.

The good news is you won't be paying to live in your home like they are, so you can buy six houses in the time it takes them to buy one. Because of that, while they're at work paying for their house and their junk, you and your wife can be in your living room with your baby, writing BP forum posts at 3:10pm on a Wednesday, because neither of you need a 9-5 job anymore since you have a multi-million dollar portfolio working for you (true story, its our story) .

To answer your down payment question, there are two reasons NOT to put 20% down on a property - you can't afford it, or you can but want to use more leverage to invest in more properties. The reason for this is that Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI) is a requirement for loans with less than 20% down, and it will eat up $100-$300 of your cash flow, every month, until you get 20+% equity in the property. If you get a 3.5% down FHA loan PMI is there forever (or until you refinance).

I see, that's helpful Michael. Thanks for sharing about your stories and congrats on your achievements! So as long as you can find a way to keep your cash flow positive (rent + number of tenants), then the PMI will not be an issue.

It's quite interesting to see though because many of my peers are all working in tech, yet they are still paying $1500/mo with a roommate. It seems to me that if you can house hack with positive cash flow, then you're living for free. And your 3.5% down payment is really how much you would spend if you rent for a year. i.e. (1500*12)/0.035 ~= 500K house. 

So the advantages I can see is that you're building equity in a house that appreciates, you're paying a year worth of rent to cover free living starting year 2 and beyond, and because the down payment is very cheap, it's easier for you to buy another property.

The downside is that you have to manage your property, find and filter tenants, be a landlord, etc. And you have to ensure the math works out. The biggest con for me is that you have to share the place with other people but it's only for 1 year. 

Originally posted by @Michael Haas:

@Mario Mach - you're 100% right, if you have great credit, good W-2 income, and just a little bit of savings buying a house hack is a financial no-brainer. We started with this strategy in 2013 and have 6 properties in King County / Seattle now.

Like Gray said, yes a higher purchase price won't change your down payment much but if you're only putting 3.5% down its unlikely that your lender will give you a very high pre-approval amount. Your first step should be to get this pre-approval - you might qualify for a $800k purchase price or a $400k purchase price, we really can't say until you share your financial info with a lender. Click on my profile and send me a message if you want the contact info for two good ones I use on my investment purchases.

Washington State Housing Finance Commission Down Payment Assistance (a mouthful I know, WSHFCDPA for short) is another option if you're having trouble swinging the 3.5% or more. To summarize, WSHFC is a non-profit dedicated to helping every Washingtonian own their own home, and this program allows us to take out a loan with 3% down, then get 4% down payment assistance so the cash required to close is super-minimal (as little as $6,000 in some cases, depends on the purchase price of the property though).

This strategy works really well when you can combine it with house hacking. One reason this works so well is that owner-occupant financing (when you live in the house) has lower interest rates than investor/landlord financing, so you get the best of both worlds if you rent part of your primary residence out – rental income, tax deductions, and low interest rates on your home loan. You need to attend a homebuyer’s class taught by a WSHFC trained Realitor and Lender, I’m trained and am teaching a few of these early this year. Let me know if you’re interested in the classes and I'll ping you when the date of the next one is set.

Cheers and good luck! Message me anytime if you'd like to grab a coffee and talk house-hacking, it's changed @Jess Haas & my life for the better!

Thanks for sharing Michael! What are the risk/drawbacks of house hacking that I should be aware of? In theory, it seems like a no brainer move to cut out my largest expense. I will look into WSHFC.

Assuming you have the means of putting down 20% or 3.5% as your down payment, the latter is more advantageous right? Because you can use the 16.5% as a buffer to pay off anything that comes along (maintenance/ fixing/ vacancy/ etc.). 

Originally posted by @Gray Bryan:

It can be done. I have a friend who is a massage therapist and has a house in Bellevue near Bellevue mall. He lives in one bedroom and rents out other two.

However, as you know, RE is very expensive in Seattle (and Bellevue). I have a small 2bed/1 bath in Seattle and the tax assessment is now $500k. For a house large enough to "hack" it's going to be more like $750 at least.

I'm a little confused. Is having a more expensive house going to be an issue? Since I'm only putting down 3.5% down payment, it's not really going to move the needle too much. Plus, in a more expensive area, I can charge higher from my tenants to offset the mortgage payments. Unless I am missing something...? 

Hey guys, I'm very new to BiggerPockets and RE investing in general. I am very eager to get started and will be spending a lot time learning from you guys around here.

So for those who are house hacking Seattle, I was wondering if you could provide some input. 

 Right now, I am renting a studio in dt bellevue. Paying $2000/mo on rent, and on top of that, they charge another $200/mo for parking. My lease will end in August. My hunch is that the rent will rise substantially for next year. 

I've read about house hacking and I think its a very attractive idea in my situation. From what I understand, you just put down a 3.5% down payment and then you rent out all the units except 1, to cover all the payments (including your monthly rent). 

I'm looking at single family houses, where there are 3+ bedrooms. I plan to live in 1 of them and rent the 2 other ones out to cover the mortgage + misc payments. Since I work in Redmond, I was thinking Bellevue is a decent choice but the area is relatively expensive. Are there other locations I should look into? And is this the right idea?

I would really appreciate if someone has experience could chime in. Thanks!