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All Forum Posts by: Lynne Smith

Lynne Smith has started 4 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: This might be dumb. I want to sell it.

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Hi Heather,

You are in a great position and don't need to hurry this decision. Go back to basics on real estate investing and look at your options. What you decide will depend on what you want. It sounds like the biggest sticking point is property management - which is solvable (if you want it to be). Network through local REIA's or through BP and start interviewing property managers.

As you've probably read the guides that BP provides, one of the biggest challenges with buying/selling real estate is taxes.  I also have a property that has appreciated immensely and if I were to sell it without doing a 1031 exchange, taxes and depreciation recapture would be immense.  In your case, taxes would be over $50,000 + depreciation recapture which depends on how long you've owned the property.  You'll want to run those scenarios.   Here are your options and scenarios you should consider:

1. Hold the property.  Hire a decent property manager to alleviate your immediate stress and buy time to weigh your options.

2. Hold the property and grow your portfolio.   You can REFINANCE and use part of the proceeds to buy another property.  Assuming an interest rates of 4%, you could pull $150,000 out (this is not a taxable event) and buy one or more other properties.    The payment on the additional loan amount would be about $700, so your cash flow is reduced, but you keep the property while the tenant continues to pay the mortgage for you.  This would help expand your portfolio and avoid taxes.   

2. Sell the property. As noted above, taxes will be very painful if you sell it outright. You can do a 1031 exchange to avoid any gains. The rule is that you must buy a replacement property at or above the property you are selling. So you'll need to purchase $400k of real estate, identify the replacement property (or properties) within 45 days and close within 180 days. I found a great attorney to serve as a "Qualified Intermediary" for a 1031 we are doing through my local REIA -- so network to find a really experienced person who can help you through the process.

I tried to make this short, but I see you can use a breath of air.  Time is on your side!   Reach out if you'd like to chat -- I'm happy to talk it through with you.

Lynne

Post: Self Directed IRA firms

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Sorry, I spelled your name wrong Glenn (that happens to me too!)

Post: Self Directed IRA firms

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Hi Glen. Yes, I completed my transaction. I was, admittedly, a bit hesitant wiring a large amount of money to an outside firm, but the consultant at IRA financial kept in constant contact throughout the process. I've now closed on the property and am moving along. As far as timing, they were quick to get the LLC set-up (under two business days), then it was on me to get funds transferred from my 401K and get my LLC bank account set up. My employer insisted on the check coming to my address, so we had to work through a some logistics there. After that, it was about 3 business days for the completion of paperwork and the wire into my LLC account. Many details in-between, but they worked with me through the entire process. Glad to chat on Monday if you'd like.

Lynne

Post: Self Directed IRA firms

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Thank you Dennis. Adam Bergman's book "The Checkbook IRA" is one of the reasons I elected to go with IRA Financial Group, but I did want to check with the BP community. I'm on the front end of the process, but so far things are moving with no issue.

Post: Self Directed IRA firms

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Has anyone used 'IRA Financial Group' for their Self Directed Real Estate IRA? Any feedback?

website: www.irafinancialgroup.com

Lynne

Post: Thinking about rental properties using Self Directed IRA.

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Hi Eric, welcome to BP. As evidenced, there is a lot to consider. I'm also looking to invest a portion of my IRA funds in real estate and, based on my research, below are some clarifying points.

1. What is taxed?  Keep in mind, the only part of net income that is taxable is the portion financed.  If you finance 50% of the property (with a non-recourse loan), then 50% of the NET profit is taxed after you deduct all expenses and, yes, depreciation from the portion you financed. True, you can't take depreciation for IRA funds used, but you can realize depreciation on the portion financed - which reduces the income subject to taxation. Also, as Brian notes, the tax is pretty low. It's based on the Trust Tax Schedule (which for 2018, looks to be 10% for net income $0-$2500; then 24% between $2501-$9150 etc.) Example: If your property grosses $10,000 and after all deductions (taxes, insurance, repairs, expenses, depreciation) you end up with a net income of $2500, the Unrelated Debt Financed Income (UDFI) portion is 50% or $1250 -- so the tax would be $120.

2. No depreciation in an IRA? True for your IRA funded portion only. For the IRA money used, I grappled with this a bit, but in thinking it through, who cares? We like depreciation because it provides an offset to our taxable income -- so we pay less taxes (assuming your income isn't too high in which case losses are deferred). But if you're in an IRA, all the income made from real estate goes back into the IRA -- so I don't think we lose anything. I'm not paying taxes on any income the IRA generates, so who cares if we can't depreciate? Also even in non-IRA scenarios, we make up the depreciation on the other end (it gets added to cost basis). Playing it out, we retire, start taking distributions from the IRA, the property is paid off (or not), and all the income that's been accumulating over the years is sitting there -- still accumulating from rents coming in. Depending on whether it's a Roth or Traditional IRA, you pay taxes on withdrawals, but you would do this regardless of the IRA investment vehicle.

I love this because unlike the commercials that scare you with asking how long your money will last into retirement, with real estate you have a living entity that generates income as you take it out.  So live to 100 and not worry!  Of course good dividend stocks can also provide income, so good to diversify.   I agree with Brian's point that it boils down to where you want to invest your retirement savings. 

I'm still learning, but it helped to write this out.  I hope it was of some use.   There are some great resources here - https://www.trustetc.com/self-directed-ira/rules/ubit

Post: 1099 Reporting from Property Mgmt Company

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Thank you for the replies.  I've verified all numbers and nothing is being double counted, but the Schedule E doesn't reflect detailed accounting of expenses.  Probably a good idea to correct that going forward.   Appreciate the help!

Post: 1099 Reporting from Property Mgmt Company

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

If there are any BP Tax Professionals that can help I would really appreciate it - my accountant isn't sure on this one.   I've made a blunder in not comparing the 1099 from my Property Management (PM) company to the P&L.  After pouring over past returns, I've found that the 1099-Misc (Box 1, Rents Received) is populated with the net rents they pay-out to me after expenses.  Isn't this supposed to be gross rents (then I deduct all my expenses on my Schedule E)?  I've been researching to determine if I've missed expense deductions, but if my PM is already taking expenses out, does it matter if I go back and itemize?  Thanks!

Post: Prime Scottsdale Location w/ Equity!!Prime Scottsdale Location w/

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Hi Isaac - what are HOA fees? Thanks!

Post: Experience with renting to Foster homes?

Lynne SmithPosted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 11

Thank you for the feedback!