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All Forum Posts by: Luc Boiron

Luc Boiron has started 20 posts and replied 541 times.

Post: First Fix & Flip - Two Financing Options

Luc BoironPosted
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Often, those who bring in the money bring 100%, and get 50% of the profits. Since it's your first, they're taking more risk, so it would make sense to give them a bit more. That being said, you will be making a commission on the purchase. If you also charge the property a commission on the sale (and not split that with the family member), it make make it more worth your while.

I would be more willing to take the hard money and keep more of the profits. But this is more risk. Also, having them invest with you now might start a good relationship, where they could continue investing with you. This could be useful in the future.

Good luck!

Post: Private Money

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Private loans are just that - private. You can negotiate however you want. If you want to finance the whole property with private money, you might want to amortize it over 25 years and pay them principle and interest. 

If you are using private money as your downpayment, it might be structured very differently. Maybe you pay them only interest with a balloon payment due. Maybe you amortize the loan over 2 years and your monthly payments are high. Maybe you pay nothing and compound the interest into a balloon payment at the end of the loan term.

Figure out what would work for you, and what would work for the lender.

Good luck!

Post: Probate Leads for Wholesaling in Canada

Luc BoironPosted
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@Simon Lloyd I know this is old now, but I didn't know about Tri-Target. Sounds interesting. Have you had any luck with it?

Post: Wholesaling Bank owned properites

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Also, you might not find quite as good a deal. However, as a buy and hold investor, if you can find a property at a 10 or 20% discount to the MLS, you're still better off than buy and hold investors buying off the MLS.

Post: Wholesaling Bank owned properites

Luc BoironPosted
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@Matt Geerts Finding homeowners with equity isn't that hard. I would think most owners who have been in the same property 5-10 years likely have a good amount of equity built up in it. Obviously, some may have refinanced, but for the most part, between appreciation and mortgage pay down, there should be a good amount of equity in the property.

Now finding motivated sellers, that's a problem! You would probably have better luck in worse areas or smaller town where things don't move as fast.

Post: Wholesaling Bank owned properites

Luc BoironPosted
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Originally posted by @Matt Geerts:

@Luc Boironplease do! We have a serious shortfall of Canadian content!

So this leaves only one way that I can think of to get below market properties - buying directly from motivated non-mortgaged people. Ideally someone who can't afford to repair a place to get full value for it - which is silly because if it is non-mortgaged they can get a HELOC, repair it an sell it.

Please please please prove me wrong.

 Luckily, that is not the only way! They can have a mortgage on the property, they will just pay the mortgage off with the proceeds. My (long) post above was just about what happens when a bank wants to sell a property in default.

With the way prices have been rising in Ontario, most homeowners who have owned the property for a few years likely have some good equity in the property. If they bought a house in London 5 years ago for $220k, put 10% down and ended up with a mortgage on it for $200k. After 5 years, the property might be worth $350k, and the mortgage will have been paid down to around $180k. That leaves a lot of equity in the property for you to get a good deal! The owner might not have the income to qualify for a refinance at a higher mortgage balance. Or they might just not want to.

The point is, motivated morgaged owners can still sell a property below market value. The only issue you would have is if they have a mortgage for 80-100% of the property value - they might not be able to sell it for enough of a discount to make it worth your while and still pay the mortgage off.

Post: Any Active Wholesalers In The Toronto Area??

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Originally posted by @Kyle Green:

Oh ok thanks a lot man definitely I am excited to do business with you, how many wholesale deals have you done here in Toronto, and do you have a solid title company to close your deals after sending them your contracts.  

 I haven't done any wholesale deals. I've been a buy and hold investor, and I'm starting do do flips. I would love it if a wholesaler could find me a deal with some meat left on the bone though.

We don't use title companies here, all deals need to be closed through a lawyer. I would recommend speaking to a practicing real estate lawyer first, and finding some that are willing to work with wholesalers. It isn't done here often, so make sure you discuss it with a lawyer that you plan on using ahead of time so they are comfortable with it.

Post: Wholesaling Bank owned properites

Luc BoironPosted
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@Leo Robinson Wholesaling properties from banks isn't really an option in Canada.

It's not just that their contracts require them to get the best price, but that the law requires them to. You see, many properties in the US are foreclosed on by the banks. The bank then owns the property, and can sell it at whatever price they want.

In Canada, a mortgagee has three options when the mortgagor is in default. Mortgage agreements have an acceleration clause, so they are able to accelerate the mortgage and say you owe them the full balance. This lets them take action on the covenant for not paying. These are the three options:

1. Judicial Sale: This is often the least preferred option by lenders. Here, there is a sale of the property authorized by the courts. This can be a longer process, and takes control out of the lender's hands. With the additional costs of the judicial sale, the lender is likely to get less out of the property. Since a mortgage is also personally guaranteed, if there is a shortfall, the lender can still sue the borrower for the deficit. So if a property has a mortgage of $100k, sells for $90k, and had $10k in costs associated with the sale and court proceedings, the lender would sue the borrower for the $20k deficit.

2. Foreclosure: This is not often used in Ontario, and is really only used when the lender has a specific reason for wanting the property. In this case, the borrower would foreclose on the property, and own the property outright at the end of the process, but no remaining rights to sue for any deficit. This means that if the property has a mortgage of $100k, and is only worth $90k, the lender could foreclose and own the property. They could not sue the borrower for the shortfall. A lender might do this if they have some personal reason for wanting the property, such as it being the neighbour's property. If the property has a mortgage of $100k, and is worth $120k, they lender can start foreclosure as well. If they get through it, they will own the property outright, and not owe the borrower the other $20k. However, at any time in foreclosure proceedings, a borrower can request that the foreclosure becomes a judicial sale (above). This means they lenders almost never get to reach the point where they can keep that equity, and they get stuck in a judicial sale, which they don't like.

3. Power of Sale: This used 90-95% of the time in Ontario. The lender is able to take control of the situation. The lender sells the property, and if it is sold for more than the loan and sale costs, the lender will pay this to the borrower. If the property is sold for less than the loan and sale costs, the lender will sue the borrower for that shortfall. If there is default insurance (CMHC, Genworth), the insurer will pay the lender then sue the borrower. Here is why Power of Sale does not work for wholesalers: If the lender sells the property for too cheap, the borrower can sue them for improvident sale or improvident realization. This essentially is a right of the borrower to receive the fair market value for their property. This means the lender needs to sell the property for FMV. Lenders fear being sued for improvident sale, so they are very careful. This usually means they get multiple appraisals or broker opinions on the property. They will not stray far from those valuations until the property has been on the market for a long time. They will almost never accept the first offer, even if it is very fair. They often want to counter at least twice, to show they have tried to negotiate the best price. Essentially, it is very difficult to get a good deal on the property. If a lender has a loan for $100k, and sells the property for $90k with $5k in costs, they will want to sue the borrower for $15k. However, if the borrower can prove the property was worth $130k, the borrower will sue the lender for improvident sale, and claim $25k. A lender can defend against the claim by showing they completed the above steps, which courts will accept to show they got FMV. If a bank sold at a low price and the contract was flipped to someone else, this is a very strong way of showing that they sold at too low a price, and could be sued for the difference. They would never allow this.

In all of these methods, if the lender is able to pay everything owing before a sale closes, they are able to keep the property. This occurs even if there is no contractual provision that allows it, it is the equitable right of redemption.

That's the summary of what I remember from my Real Estate Finance class from my law school days. Sorry for the length, I should turn this into a blog post!

Post: Screening Bingo

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@Stephen E. I would rent to her in a heartbeat. She is very close to the 3 times rule, and at this income level she will be taxed at a low rate, leaving her with more of the money.

In addition, her credit is impeccable. I've never had a tenant with a 795 credit score. This means she pays her bills, always, on time, and is responsible. You have much better odds of her being a good tenant than someone with an income of 5x the rent but a 650 credit score.

Go for it!

Post: Any Active Wholesalers In The Toronto Area??

Luc BoironPosted
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@Kyle Green I'm about to close on a deal within the next week.

PM me, I'd love to get added to your buyers list if you find any good deals.

Welcome to BP!