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All Forum Posts by: Louis Swingrover

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Post: Dallas Tax Expert Recommendation & Anyone's Thoughts on Situation

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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Hey, so I have a few thoughts on this that may or may not be helpful (depending on whether you truly end up facing a capital gains tax bill, etc.). I wound up typing a lot, so at the risk of being overly formal, I made a table of contents.

  1. Watch Out for Tax Reform!
  2. Safe harbor(s) for 1031
  3. Partial or Split 1031/121?
  4. Idea for meeting 1031 45 Day Deadline
  5. Ownership and Use Req. for 121

1. Watch Out for Tax Reform!

The 1031 exchange (and the ability to deduct the interest on your investment real estate loans) may eliminated soon. I would encourage you to think about the implications of not having the 1031 as a tool in your tool chest a year from now. Probably wise to acquire something that you can afford to hold long-term [EDIT: I just realized that the Deferred Sales Trust I brought up in another comment elsewhere might become a popular option if it survives tax reform and the 1031 doesn't.] I'm not sure what to say about how one might wisely anticipate not being able to deduct business/investment interest. Just figure that change is coming. If you have ideas, let me know.

2. Safe Harbors for 1031

So in a 1031 both the relinquished property and the replacement property have to be held with the intent to be predominantly used for business/investment purposes. That means there are two sets of “safe harbor” guidelines, according to which the IRS will not challenge whether a property is held with predominant business/investment intent: one set of guidelines for the property to be relinquished and another set for the property to be acquired. They happen to be very similar.

Note that the actual requirement has only to do with the intent to hold a property predominantly for business/investment purposes. Rev. Proc. 2008-16 specifies “safe harbor” conditions under which the IRS will not challenge one’s intent to hold a replacement property for business or investment purposes. IRC § 1031 even addresses properties held for fewer than two years (only the periods during which the property was held are taken into account, unless it looks as though an individual is deliberately trying to “avoid the purpose” behind the code).
The safe harbor, essentially, is something like that IF…

1.…a property is held for two years or more, AND

2.during each of the two years before or after the exchange it is rented out for 14 days or more, AND

3.during each of the two years before or after the exchange it is not used for personal purposes for any more than 14 days OR 10% of the duration for which it is rented out…

…THEN its intent to be held for predominantly business/investment purposes will not be challenged by the IRS.

3. Partial or Split 1031/121

On this I am less familiar, but I am quite sure one can perform a partial 1031, giving the 1031 treatment to the investment portion of your equity, and I am pretty sure this goes for the 121 home sale exclusion as well, so that *I think* an option might theoretically be to do a 1031 with the investment side of the duplex and a 121 with the side you're living in. It's not clear whether this would be possible or whether it would be applicable for your exact needs here, but it's worth mentioning. Would love to have this corrected or clarified by someone else on here (probably a QI)!

4. Idea for meeting 1031 45 Day Deadline

Another tool in your tool belt: there are companies that specialize in passive income properties that are structured to qualify for use in a 1031 exchange. These companies structure their properties for fractional ownership, meaning that you can 1031 out of a property that you solely own and manage into a piece of a larger property (or portfolio) that already has management in place. You can still take your depreciation and everything. It's full real estate ownership. Many of these properties/portfolios are "syndicated" so that the sponsor of the offering holds onto it and sells each piece off to an investor, one at a time, to accommodate their unique 45/180 day deadlines. Point being that you can ID one or two of these (e.g. TIC or DST) properties as your 2nd or 3rd choice while you're looking around for your ideal replacement property. If you can't find exactly what you want (or if it falls through) you can just close on one of these properties to complete your exchange, saving you on capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes and getting you cash flow (often starting at around 7% or so) until you are ready for another exchange (assuming 1031s are still legal by then). [Full disclosure/disclaimer: my own company operates in this space, providing access to these kind of passive income properties structured for 1031 exchange.]

5. Ownership and Use Req. for 121

It sounds like you are already familiar with the ownership and use requirements of the 121 Home Sale Exclusion, but either way, here is how I like to think about it (just in case it helps here):

1. The Home Must Be Owned for a Total of at Least Two Years During the Five-Year Period Leading Up to the SaleIn order to legally shelter the proceeds received from the sale of one’s home, a taxpayer must own the home for an aggregate of two years prior to the sale. This ownership does not have to be continuous; it may be broken up or interrupted, so long as the total duration of ownership adds up to at least two years and occurs within the five-year period leading up to the sale of the home.

2. The Home Must Be Used as the Taxpayer’s Principal Residence for a Total of at Least Two Years During the Five-Year Period Leading Up to the Sale
In addition to the ownership requirement, to shelter gain from the sale of a home from taxable recognition, the home must also be used as the taxpayer’s principal residence for an aggregate of two years during the five-year period leading up to the sale of the home. This use does not have to be continuous; it may be broken up, so long as the total duration of use adds up to at least two years and occurs within the five-year period leading up to the sale of the home. Additionally, short vacations and seasonal absences may be included in the use period, even if the residence is rented out during these absences.

Determining the “principal” residence of a taxpayer involves consideration of several factors, including where the taxpayer works, where the taxpayer’s family lives, the taxpayer’s mailing and billing addresses, the location of the taxpayer’s banks, and the location of the taxpayer’s religious and recreational activities. This also means that the Home Sale Exclusion cannot be taken on more than one home at a time.

There are a few exceptions to the use requirement for out-of-residence care, unforeseen circumstances, and uniformed, military, and intelligence service.

NOTE: The Periods of Ownership and Use of the Home Do Not Have to CoincideThe requirements for ownership and use of the home may be satisfied during non-concurrent periods so long as both of the requirements are met during the five-year period leading up to the sale. This may be helpful for a tenant who rents a home prior to buying it.

Post: exit strategy for flips and rentals

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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A "Deferred Sales Trust" may or may not meet your needs here. It's basically a structure that allows you transfer your property into a trust, the trust sells the property and reinvests, and then pays you an income. You'll only be taxed on the income.

Post: exit strategy for flips and rentals

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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[EDIT: This post was meant for a different thread. I can't figure out how to delete it.]

Post: Should I sell a massively cash-flow negative property?

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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Hi @Ben Morris, this is only my second day on BP---nice to meet you! I have an idea that might be worth floating: 1031ing out of your cash-flow-negative property into a fractional ownership investment like a syndicated TIC or DST that can accommodate a quick close on your own timeframe. You could at least cash flow---most likely around 7%, and it would be passive. You could still take your share in the depreciation, and there may be potential for long-term appreciation. This just might solve three problems for you: 1. going from negative to positive cash flow, 2. deferring the capital gains / depreciation recapture tax hit, and 3. significantly decreasing your risk of fumbling your exchange. In fact, you could identify multiple potential replacement properties (maybe use a TIC or DST as a backup if you already have a first choice in mind) to help decrease this risk as much as possible. Here are the 1031 property ID rules you can use to your advantage:

3-Property Rule
ID up to 3 potential replacement properties, regardless of the aggregate market value of the properties, and acquire as many of the properties identified as desired to complete the exchange.

200% Rule
ID more than 3 potential replacements, as long as their aggregate market value does not exceed 200% of the market value of your current property. Acquire as many of them as you want to complete the exchange.

95% Rule
ID any number of replacements regardless their aggregate market value, as long as you acquire 95% of that their total value.

@Dave Foster, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe an exchanger only needs to replace the value of their combined equity and debt to avoid taking taxable boot? So, for example, (using round numbers) if the relinquished property had $150k in equity and $150k in debt and sold for $300k, the exchanger could theoretically pay off the debt and bring in some new capital to acquire a replacement property for $300k+ and defer the taxable recognition of the full amount of capital gain.

Most TIC/DST offerings come pre-packaged with financing in place for leverage, so someone in a position like this one wouldn't have to come up with as much new capital (although the financing is almost never anything close to 100% loan-to-value). Someone in Ben's position would probably have to bring money to the table to reinvest, however coming out of pocket to invest is a very different thing then coming out of pocket to pay taxes!

Interested to hear about how this all turns out. Let us know!

Post: 300k+ in equity in 3 years, low cash flow should I 1031 out of CA

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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  • Votes 9

Hi @Tim G., I am brand new to BP and still getting the hang of things here. I have a background in 1031 exchanges and thought I'd mention something concerning your plan to potentially 1031 your 4-unit in CA for a 20+ unit outside the state. As of 2014 the CA FTB requires anyone exchanging a property in CA for one in another state to file a 3840 documenting the deferral of the California-sourced capital gains so that they can hold you accountable to pay taxes on those gains if they are ever realized in a taxable sale down the road (this is often called the "California Clawback Provision").

This is unique to California. Let’s say that you exchange a property located in Washington for a property located in Oregon and defer your capital gains under IRC § 1031. Then you sell your Oregon property. Washington would not attempt to tax the Washington-sourced gains. Rather, Oregon would tax you on all of the capital gains realized upon the sale of your Oregon property—including the Washington-sourced gains that had been deferred.

Even California operates this way when it comes to the reverse situation; California levies capital gains taxes against non-California-sourced capital gains that happen to be realized in California. If you were to exchange a Washington property for a California property and then sell your California property, you would owe capital gains taxes in California against your original tax basis, not just the gains achieved on the California property.

If you're not careful you can wind up paying capital gains taxes twice. If you 1031 into a non-CA property and ever decide to cash out, you are very likely to have to pay capital gains taxes on the total amount of gain to the state in which you sell, and then pay CA for your CA-sourced gain.

You may be able to defer your gains indefinitely, or offset your tax burden in the year in which you sell by losses, write-offs, and credits, but this is something to be aware of when thinking about exchanging CA property for property out of state.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Post: Commercial Triple Net deal??

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
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  • Votes 9

@Jeff B. good point! I totally agree that the tenant's credit is an important issue and that the greatest contract in the world doesn't guarantee that the tenant will satisfy their obligations.

Furthermore the nature of their business, the demand for their product in the surrounding market, demographic factors, and then broader macroeconomic factors ought to be weighed as well.

That said, none of this makes any given NNN deal a total crap shoot! (Not to mention that many of these risks are not unique to triple net investing.) I'd say these risks ought to be analyzed and mitigated, and then all the factors weighed carefully.

Post: Commercial Triple Net deal??

Louis SwingroverPosted
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  • Coeur d Alene, ID
  • Posts 7
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I think this article does a decent job providing a quick high-level summary of the major issues to look at when analyzing a triple net or other lease contract. It mentions:

  1. Obligations
  2. Liabilities
  3. Lease Bumps
  4. Renewal Options
  5. Notice
  6. Early Termination Options
  7. Co-Tenancy Clauses
  8. Tenant Buyout/Sublease

Hope this helps.