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All Forum Posts by: Louis Louisius

Louis Louisius has started 3 posts and replied 9 times.

Hello, 

I purchased an STR for my first investment property for $725k and 20% down = $160kish after taxes at closing

cosmetic fixes, repairs and and new appliances plus furniture $70K(I think this killed me a bit)

house valuation after closing was $750K

currently all in $230K

after monthly avg income I take home ~1,500k/month

current comps in the area are $850k and up

when can I refinance my str to get my money out so I can do a new/better deal. do I have to wait a full year to refinance or can I do it now

Quote from @Josh Young:

@Louis Louisius

#1 - Increase your minimum length of stay.

#2 - Lower your rate during the week.


 but won't this decrease my ability to book weekends?? 

Hello, 

I purchased a home in Sedona back in may and finally have it up and running as a short term rental. would any one be able to advise on how to gain some weekday bookings? the weekends are always booked but what do people do to gain week day traffic? I'm super central to Sedona so my location is pretty nice. 

Quote from @Frank Patalano:
Quote from @Louis Louisius:

Hi, I'm looking to purchase my first property with my spouse. I'm not sure which option would be best. Do we start an LLC to get the loan or do we just apply for it as individuals like a regular mortgage loan. this will be for a vacation home that we will utilize as an STR in Tennessee.

just want to know which is best option for us. LLC or no LLC


 If it is a vacation home, I would say no.
I am someone who supports LLCs most of the time but it is different because I never plan on spending time at the properties.
Get an umbrella policy/extra insurance and you should be fine.
Plus it will be easier to get a loan on a vacation home than on a purely investment home.

Have you considered holding in a trust? Just throwing out an idea that some friends use. 


 its an investment property. vacation home would require I stay there 60 days a year which I will not be doing

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Louis Louisius:

An LLC is useful for two things: anonymity and legal protection. In most cases, neither is warranted.

Warning: I am not an attorney and this can be a complicated topic. Please note the information provided below is a layman's definition designed to provide a basic understanding for the general audience. You should consult an attorney or CPA for your specific situation.

ANONYMITY: When you create the LLC, your name is recorded on the documents and published on the Secretary of State website for all to see. So you're not completely anonymous. If you want to be completely anonymous, you can use a Registered Agent. The Registered Agent will record the documents on your behalf so only their name and information appears on the documents. I've done this with my properties because I'm well known in my small town and don't want people to know what I own.

LEGAL PROTECTION: By placing your assets in an LLC, you are legally separating them from your personal assets. If someone injures themselves and sues, they will be suing the LLC and not you personally. If your insurance coverage isn't enough, they could seize the LLC assets, but not your personal assets.

Additional thoughts:

1. An LLC is not free. You can spend as little as $100 to form an LLC, or you could use an attorney and spend $1,000 or more. There are also additional costs of operating and maintaining an LLC, like separate bank accounts, annual report filings, tax filings, etc.

2. There are rules to follow! If you fail to follow the rules, you may open your personal assets to a lawsuit. An example of this would be mixing your personal money and LLC money in the same bank account.

3. You do not need a separate LLC for each property or a series LLC! Don't make your life more complicated than it has to be. Most professionals will recommend a separate LLC for every $1 million in assets but I don't think that's necessary. In my case, I have residential rentals in one LLC, commercial properties in another, self storage in a third, and my real estate company operates in a fourth. Some have more than $1 million in equity while others have less.

4. The need for an LLC is grossly exaggerated on BiggerPockets and other websites. Have you ever heard of a Landlord being sued by a Tenant and losing property? I've been on this board since 2010 and haven't found an example yet. You've probably heard of big Landlords losing property, but only because they were flagrantly violating Fair Housing, running a slum, or otherwise violating the law in an egregious manner. You are more likely to be struck by lightning twice. The vast majority of lawsuits against Landlords are for wrongful eviction, security deposit disputes, and Fair Housing Violations. Your basic insurance policy with $300,000 in liability coverage should be sufficient in 99.999% of all lawsuits.

5. The best protection for you and your investments? Know and obey the law. I manage around 400 rentals with 12 years experience and have never been sued once. Even if I were sued, I document everything and obey the law, so I won't be found guilty. Even if I were found guilty, the cost would be in the thousands, not in the millions. Insurance would cover it, I would pay the deductible, and no assets would be lost.

If you are in an area like San Diego where people are more likely to sue, a judge is more likely to find you guilty, and the payout is likely to be higher, then you may consider an umbrella insurance policy. This policy will provide additional coverage above what your existing policy covers. It's easy to obtain, costs very little, and doesn't require additional, on-going effort to maintain.



very insightful thank you, but I did go ahead and got an LLC prior to reading this

Quote from @Kevin Bartlett:

Congrats on getting started Louis!


 Thanks Kevin, next hurdle to get over is analysis paralysis :-)

Quote from @Frank Patalano:
Quote from @Louis Louisius:

Hi, I'm looking to purchase my first property with my spouse. I'm not sure which option would be best. Do we start an LLC to get the loan or do we just apply for it as individuals like a regular mortgage loan. this will be for a vacation home that we will utilize as an STR in Tennessee.

just want to know which is best option for us. LLC or no LLC


 If it is a vacation home, I would say no.
I am someone who supports LLCs most of the time but it is different because I never plan on spending time at the properties.
Get an umbrella policy/extra insurance and you should be fine.
Plus it will be easier to get a loan on a vacation home than on a purely investment home.

Have you considered holding in a trust? Just throwing out an idea that some friends use. 


 Hi,

Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it. I took the LLC route. I was afraid of a due on sale clause

Quote from @Sarah Hatton:

Hey Louis, 

I would consult with a lawyer or CPA but the general consensus is yes. If you are going the private financing route (DSCR) to purchase this property there is a chance your lender will require an entity, also an entity adds a layer of protection between you and the lender in case of litigation, and there are way to utilize your LLC for additional tax write offs.


Hi, 

Thank you for taking the time to offer me some advice I agree. I have since then formed my LLC with my wife. we are now analyzing some potential opportunities in Gatlinburg TN, Pigeon Forge TN, Sedona AZ, and some popular FL locations as well.

Hi, I'm looking to purchase my first property with my spouse. I'm not sure which option would be best. Do we start an LLC to get the loan or do we just apply for it as individuals like a regular mortgage loan. this will be for a vacation home that we will utilize as an STR in Tennessee.

just want to know which is best option for us. LLC or no LLC