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All Forum Posts by: Logan T.

Logan T. has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

Post: Rental Increase for Sec 8

Logan T.Posted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 5
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Originally posted by @Jennifer T.:

I only have two S8 tenants, so this is more "what I've heard" than actual experience.  But, I believe that is how that works.

HOWEVER, I don't think you can request a raise whenever you want.  I think it usually has to be 60-90 days before the tenant's annual agreement with S8 is up.  Typically, those are the same dates of their lease.  Check with the local S8 office.

Also, it's probably really unlikely they would allow a raise that large for one year.  Although S8 will start a tenancy at market rent, they won't necessarily keep it at market rent.  They will usually only do small raises, if that.  Obviously it doesn't hurt to ask for a fair market rent!  I'm just saying that you shouldn't necessarily expect much of one.

I was planning ahead for when the current lease is up in November.  I guess I was going to try and shoot for the market comps which were pulled within 0.5 mile radius and within the past 3 months. 

For those that have Sec 8 tenants, do you plan yearly rent increases?

Post: Rental Increase for Sec 8

Logan T.Posted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 0

Hello all.  I have a duplex that currently has 1 tenant receiving a partial Sec 8 voucher. I purchased the unit about 3 months ago. The tenants (older married couple) are excellent, have been there 4 years, very low maintenance, mow the grass.  I would like to keep these tenants.  They are currently paying $450 a month in rent and have not received an increase in their history.  Their portion of the rent is $115 a month as well as utilities.  Sec 8 is picking up the rest.  My question is, based on rental comparisons from my management company, who report they do a lot of Sec 8 tenants, the market rent comps are $575.  If I raise the rent to $575 will Sec 8 automatically pick up the rent increase since the portion the tenants are paying would be considered the 'most' they can pay each month?

Post: Is this a good deal?

Logan T.Posted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 0

Again, showing my newness.  If I am getting $575 per unit and I'll be spending about $76k for the duplex, what should my return be?  I had set my goal at a 10% capitalization rate.  Should it be higher on a unit that will be exclusively cash flow?

I am seeing about a 12% cap rate with taxes, 10% repair, 10% vacancy, and 8% management fee.

Post: Is this a good deal?

Logan T.Posted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 0

I would imagine the neighborhood is a large percentage of rentals.  The rental comparisons in the area are from 2 property management groups that have multiple units in the area.  I would be using a property management group to manage this unit because of the rough area.  The crime reports are things like petty theft, domestic disturbance type things.  The unit is 1 block from a large government housing sector if that tells you anything.

Is it feasible to ask the current management company for a report of completed/requested repairs from the tenants? Might give an idea of concerns with the unit. 

Post: Is this a good deal?

Logan T.Posted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 0

Hey everyone, First post regarding a possible first purchase.  I am new to real estate investing and my wife and I have been looking for some rental properties in the Northern Middle Tennessee area.  We are currently under contract on a duplex in Clarksville TN.  I wanted to give some details to see what you guys think about this deal.  Our goal is to create a portfolio of rental units for retirement.

All feedback is welcomed, and please don't assume I know anything.

This duplex is currently occupied on both sides. They pay their own utilities. Each unit is a 600 sq ft 1 bed 1 bath, built in 1951, has cheap siding, 10 year old A/C unit, needs new water heaters, and some other repairs that I have estimated to be around $7k in total.  The biggest of repairs for a tree removal at $2k.  The rent for each unit is $450 with 1 unit on a month to month after 1 year lease was up this month.  The other unit is on a partial Sec 8 voucher,  with only $80 coming from the voucher and the rest being covered by the tenant.  This unit has been occupied with the same renters at the same rent rate for 4 years with their lease expiring in November of 18.  I have spoken with 2 management companies with an 8% management fee who report the rent is under market rent for the area and would plan to start the rent listing at $550 with expectations that it might have to be dropped to $525 to fill the units.  Only 1 unit is currently approved for Sec 8.  This duplex is in a very poor/rough neighborhood relative to this city.  I would see practically zero return on the property because this area is so rough/crime riddled. 

The listing price was $75k, and we are under contract at $71k. They have offered us a $3k repair allowance towards repairs, but will not complete any repairs. This is a cash offer on our end up front, but we would pull equity out to get it back into our other investments, ideally leaving about 40% equity in the duplex. So we would have about 60% on conventional loan probably within a year. In looking at HUD calculations, the fair market rent in the area for an efficiency is $560 and for a 1 bedroom it was $640 If I am remembering those numbers correctly. Our plan would be to raise the rent on the month to month renter to get it to market rent. If that renter were not able to stay we would take the risk of losing the tenant to get that unit approved for Sec 8 with a voucher tenant in place. We would then do the same to the other unit were tenants have been occupied for 4 years. We would raise to market rent and if we lost them, we would try to fill with a full vouchered tenant. If both properties are renting at $550 a month this cash flow sounds excellent. If I am only at $450 a month, is this property worth it from a cash flow only perspective? My concern is that we have planned to be conservative adding 1 rental currently. We probably won't add another for 18-24 months. Is this the one that I should pull the trigger on. Is it good enough to be my 1 deal for a bit?