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All Forum Posts by: Llewelyn A.

Llewelyn A. has started 23 posts and replied 645 times.

Post: Best cities for cash flow

Llewelyn A.Posted
  • Investor / Broker
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • Posts 665
  • Votes 1,744

I have an interesting History.

I started a Real Estate Education Business where I taught my own Real Estate Course based upon a solid foundation of Financial Calculations such as PV, FV, DCR, Amortization Tables, ROR, ROI, Cashflows, IRR, etc.

The Year I started the Course was around 2005 or 2006 and I tried recruiting students from an REIA that was called "NYCCashflow".

What I offered was to teach all the Math that was necessary to become a sophisticated Real Estate Investor.

There were also 3 Levels to the Class and each level needed to have a Final Exam to move up.

I only charged $20 per week, but you had to spend 3 hours for that single class per week for approximately 6 months because most Students, including most Investors, are really Financially Math Illiterate. 

Really, if you don't understand how to calculate a Future Value or Discounted Cashflow........... I would advise people to learn it before they invest. It's the only way to understand Investing in any kind of Investment.

Of the 500 students who took the class, Adults like you and me, some without College degrees, some with PH.D.s a full range of rich and poor..... only about 30 students were able to get past the 3rd Level exam, which basically made you calculate the Internal Rate of Return of any investment, especially Real Estate.

Of that 30 students, about 20 of them pulled the Trigger as their Analysis proved that there was merit in buying an Investment Property, particularly in Brooklyn and close by.

One student in particular, made $2 Million, again, on a Clinton Hill property.

Most of the other students, made somewhere between $50k and $1 Million.

Some of those 20 are now my partners. We employ our sophisticated spreadsheets to continue to buy in Brooklyn. In fact, we are in Contract to buy a 3 Family in Ditmas Park.

There seems to be a fallacy that I have kept on hearing in my entire multiple Decades long Real Estate Investment Experience.... that somehow Price Matters.

It's not the Price of the Investment that Matters necessarily, it's the Future Cashflows of the Investments in relationship to the Purchase Price that Matters.

Another way of putting it is like this.....

Using about $27k of investment money, I bought a 2 Family property in Windsor Terrace for $140k in 1999. It wasn't a Bargain. It was the same price as all the other 2 Family Properties in that particular block.

But my Internal Rate of Return Analysis (IRR) told me that given all the factors that affect the future cashflows of this property in this area, that this was going to be a great deal.

in 2013, I sold the property for $675k in order to buy a Bed-Stuy property.

The return was astronomical. You can try to do the calculations given that in 1999, the invested Capital was $27k and the sales proceeds was approximately $675k minus $150k (paid of Mortgage and other expenses for the sale) = $525k.

Rents also tripled during that time. Cashflow was great except in the beginning where I had a small negative Cashflow for about 2 years.

Anyway, it's a long story and I'll leave it up to the readers.

The theme here is to really understand the Math about what you are doing. There is a great Book that I had all my students read, Frank Gallenelli's "What Every Real Estate Investor Needs to Know about Cashflow...."

In fact, don't just read the book...... UNDERSTAND the book. There is a difference between reading, and understanding which was why I implemented exams in my course. Too many students were reading and not understanding.

So, back to your question.... did I change strategy? NO. I make assumptions which will get updated when I look for the next investment. Assumptions like what is the likely appreciation rate, how much will rents and expenses rise, what is the long term economics of the area, etc.

I then plug it into my IRR Spreadsheet and it then tells me to pull the trigger.

Post: Online rental payment

Llewelyn A.Posted
  • Investor / Broker
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • Posts 665
  • Votes 1,744

I use Rentalutions. Love it really. Check it out.

Post: Best cities for cash flow

Llewelyn A.Posted
  • Investor / Broker
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • Posts 665
  • Votes 1,744

After reading the entire Thread, I thought I would chime in as a Brooklyn, NY investor to contrast what has happened to me versus an investor that I know incredibly well who decided to invest in immediate Cashflow in Bristol, CT. Let's call the CT Investor Steve.

Basically, Steve and I invested in 2004 and we put in approx. the same amount, towards investments. I invested around $250k. Steve around $150k.

I bought ONE 4 Family in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn for approximately $1 Million Purchase. Steve bought 3 Townhouses in Bristol, CT, total Purchase Price around $600k.

Fast Forward to 2016.

My single 4 Family in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn is now worth over $2 Million. It cashflows well over $3k per month.

Steve's 3 Townhouses are virtually still the same price with very little appreciation. He cashflows approximately the same, around $1k per month.

Also, during this time, I had done ZERO evictions, no burglaries, no loss of rent due to vacancy turn overs, etc.

Steve, on the other hand, had a LOT of activities including a lot of evictions.

The difference in the Evictions between Steve and myself, IMO, is that I'm able to pull a Credit Report and only Accept very high Credit (usually over 700 FICO scores), while Credit Scores became useless for Steve as about all of the candidates who lived in the area and applied had low credit scores.

It might be good to think about what will happen for Steve and myself in the next 10 years.

One thing I can say, however, Steve had to move out of NYC. He couldn't afford the apartment he had because the rent tripled in the last 10 years.

Contrast that to mine where I live in one of my apts (in a different building than the one above).

This is just an observation. You can decide on your own whether or not you should take FUTURE cashflow into account, or just the 1st year's cashflow.

However, IMO, an Investor that only looks at today's cashflow will turn out very much like Steve.

Investors that take all the FUTURE cashflows into account, well, that can turn out like me.

Post: Hello fellow real estate fanatics!

Llewelyn A.Posted
  • Investor / Broker
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • Posts 665
  • Votes 1,744

I currently own 2 Brownstones ( 4 Units each ) and 1 Brick Building (3 Units) in Clinton Hill, 2 Brownstones (3 Units each) in Bed-Stuy and 1 Victorian House (2 Units) in Ditmas Park.

Ditmas Park was my first investment back in 1997. The last one I bought was the Bed-Stuy Brownstone in November 2015.

All buildings are owned with Partners, so it's not just me. Hard to do it alone in NYC.

I'm in the process of purchasing another 3 Family in Ditmas Park now.

To answer your question, I focus on 3 to 4 Family Buildings in Brooklyn.

What are you leaning towards to do in NYC?

Investor Llew

Post: Hello fellow real estate fanatics!

Llewelyn A.Posted
  • Investor / Broker
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • Posts 665
  • Votes 1,744

Hi David,

I'm a Brooklyn RE Investor for the past 20 years.

I believe if you do your Analysis right, you'll do great here!

Good Luck!

Investor Llew