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All Forum Posts by: Lisa Monroe

Lisa Monroe has started 23 posts and replied 52 times.

Post: Making Offers on REOs

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by Anthony E Russell:
I find a lot of the listing agents to be morons -- particularly in dual rep situations in SoCal. The agents talk to you like you're a crack head for not wanting to pay retail on a property that obviously needs substantial repairs or is in an area that compels you to impute certain risk ratios.

Using the standard 70% - repairs out here will, in most cases, put you below a bank's asking price by more than $40,000 - $50,000. Listing agents think you're nuts for even thinking about making such an offer.

And while we're talking about listing agents...I sometimes wonder about the wisdom of making offers through them because of the "best and highest"/ "multiple offers" b.s. they spew. Peter Giardini rants about that, today, on his podcast.

A couple of days ago, the assistant of a broker called me with a property -- newly fallen from escrow -- that according to my comps ARVs at $315,000. A purchase price of $150,000 should be in order, here. The assistant tells me that it went into escrow at $254,000 -- I told him not with an investor attached. He concurred that the offer was from a retail buyer -- who couldn't perform, obviously.

The assistant then informs me that the lender -- Aurora Services of CO -- wants offers that are in the same ballpark as the backups that were on the table from investors -- in December! When I tell him that December was a different market he responds that according to his comps -- which include pending sales, by the way -- those December backup offers of $220,000 and higher would suffice. Wow. There is never a dull moment in this business.

I agree with both Will and Matt. Get the properties before listing -- which is happening -- even though banks want you paying retail or find motivated sellers before the bank even enters the picture which is best, in my opinion.

As an aside, I believe the Obama administration not forcing banks to mark their REOs to market, while allowing them to hoard cash that should have been put to use through investors, has created an environment whereby the housing crisis in this country will take years to sort out. Just a thought.


$150,000 is close to 50% ARV. Are investors typically paying around this or the home wasnt $315K to begin with? Just curious.

Post: I need encouragement

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

You sound so much like me. I am still learning. I bought every real estate book (almost) from the library because I couldnt afford the books sold by professionals on the infomercials at night. They know how to get you excited right? My credit is also not too good and I do not have thousands to put down for a home. I fell for all those no money down gimmicks but when I thought it was time for me to get my feet wet, I was hit hard. I had to put down money for my EMD and sometimes what I wanted to put down, the seller wanted more. For seasoned investors reading this, they may be thinking “ok so what, that’s nothing†but $1,000, $2,000, $3,000 and even $13, 200 (long story) is like the equivalent of a hundred grand when you are broke. Then I had to pay for inspections. They don’t tell you this in those books. But don’t disregard all the information you read. It’s a good backdrop to the business.

So I went back to the drawing boards. I have come across unprofessional real estate agents who don’t return their emails/calls then to failed deals because I couldn’t perform. (translated to: I didn’t know what I was doing). When you put in an offer for what you think a property is worth, you are condescended because its not what the seller wanted (even though its actually what they property is worth). All of these are learning tools. You need to ask yourself if RE is a business that you REALLY want to be in. I gave up on it about three times but then somehow I always came back to it because I really loved it. Setbacks can really do a job on you and turn you away. So I found a way to work around my incompetencies and lack of finances. Like most baby investors, I began to wholesale. I tried FSBO but I just found it easier to work with banks. Some investors will think I’m crazy because they find it easier to negotiate with an owner for the right price. I have problems with negotiation, yes I know I need to be assertive in RE but what can I do? Im learning. Where I live, there are tons of foreclosures below %65 of market value so that’s where I started.

Find a good deal. Ask investors here what they typically pay for, for a rehab. I have read around 65%-70%. Try to come up with at least $1,000 for your EMD and another $300 for an inspection of the home. Use the inspection report to get estimates of how much the rehab may cost. If you have to borrow from friends, sell some things, do it. The reward will be much greater and you can pay them back 10 fold. Wholesale your deal to start off through either an assignment or double close. Use your profits to better your credit and score and save the rest for your next deal. Before you know it, you will be at the stage where you can either solicit a Hard Money Lender or a Conventional Loan to do a rehab yourself. Do the same process over until you gain that confidence back. Don’t give up. I lost my confidence many times because of people telling me I cant do it or other roadblocks. You just take these and you learn.

Post: Making Offers on REOs

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by Mark Brian:
Originally posted by wheelhouse:

Lisa, in this business 9 out of 10 people will tell you "you can't do that". You need the find one that says "you can do that". Good luck with your offers.


When people say you can't do it, that's their limitation. Don't let it be yours.

There has been some excellent advice so far. Dual agency means limited representation for both the buyer and seller, at least in my state. And some states, companies or agents will not enter into a dual agency situation. With a little help from our friend Google, you can find a plethora of heated debates about dual agency in the past month among agents on the RE.net.

Maybe you are experienced enough that you do not need full representation and just need to submit offers. Or maybe not. Come to BP and continue to ask questions and educate yourself. Do not let this situation, or any others you encounter, deter you from becoming a great successful investor.

Matt Mathews brought up an excellent point about how your agent should be honest with you about an offer having a slim chance but submitting it anyway.



You and others are right and I think that real estate agent knew it because she had a guilty conscious. After she told me she would not submit it, days later she called me non stop about a house near her that was just listed on the MLS and was "too" nice too me. She even offered to pay for the inspection. I havent spoken to her since and I have moved on. I dont like being lied too.

Since then, I have contacted listing agents directly and they never return my emails/calls. I left FL and am now investing in MD. I dont know if MD is a dual agency state or not but its looking like I have to use a buyer's agent. Something I didnt want to do but oh well.....

Post: Do You Need Home Insurance on a Flip

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by Steve Babiak:
Originally posted by wheelhouse:
What insurance companies do you use?


My answer is in this next link:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/53/topics/41874-the-best-insurance-for-rehabbers

Some other threads with answers from others on this question:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/44702-insurance-questions

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/41842-property-insurance-


Thank you! Helps.....

Post: Do You Need Home Insurance on a Flip

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

I get it. Yes I (will) own it outright with cash. Yes Im contracting work. Its not located in any flood zones or where tornadoes or hurricanes are prominent.

My question is, are there any insurance agencies willing to insure a home that will be owned for less than 90 days unoccupied/not primary residence. My other investor friends never insure their properties but I dont think I want to take that chance. I want a piece of mind.

Post: Do You Need Home Insurance on a Flip

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

just wondering.

Post: Making Offers on REOs

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

I have come to realize that...

Post: Making Offers on REOs

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

Thank you all. For a long time, I actually thought it was me but after reading the comments here and speaking with other investors, I realized that much of the problem rests in the RE agent. I have changed agents and so far so good. I have made offers, high and low and he has never told me he will not submit an offer.

Post: Owner Financing Rehab

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

I will be owner financing a rehab. (still negotiating) and it is my first one.

Anyone has any experience with owner financing? Any special clauses need to be included in the contract or is it pretty simple to draft up? (%rate, principle, payment schedule).

Will the title company handle this during closing?

Post: Making Offers on REOs

Lisa MonroePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Washington D.C.
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 17

I just went to my state's Realtor website, it says I need an ID to get the approved contract forms. So it looks like I will go directly to the agent and end up having him as a seller/byers agent. Am I right?