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All Forum Posts by: Lindsey Keller

Lindsey Keller has started 6 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: Benefits of Having Wyoming Holding Company

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

I think one shady business dealing risk is worth the money in asset protection.  Protect your personal home and assets with everything you hold dear. . I ran into a very poor dealing with an ex / ex business partner who was upset I ended the relationship. They sued me for 80k  and put a lien on a unrelated property i owned and was selling.  I almost lost the sale 3/2020 - right as covid hit, I almost got sued again because the house didn't close.  This is easily the worse stress Ive ever felt. 

It only takes a simple recorder search and you can have a lien slapped on your property and be sued for things that have no grounds. Had I had things setup with a land trust and Wyoming llc she not only wouldn't have found me, but she couldn't have done what she did.  Turns out it was still unlawful, and I got it removed. $20k later in attorney fees after a pain the *** battle. 

Post: Wyoming LLC formation??

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Lindsey Keller:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Think LLC formation is a necessary evil in regards to time and money consumption. If it's your only asset, then you got to as that's your everything to protect. If you have many, you have to cause you could lose it all.

1 WY holding LLC, two child LLCs in each state you operate in. Child 1 LLC owns the property, Child 2 LLC manages the property. They're binded by a management agreement. They are both owned by the Holding company and have an operating agreement between the two.

It's a lot of upfront work and fees, but worth it and I think that for anyone. If you're tight on funds to do it, then you shouldn't participate in investing. You're not cut out to weather any storm. I consider this the cost of doing business. And recommend it for everybody. Why risk it otherwise?


Assuming you own the LLC that owns the properties you are going to be PM'ing, would you then need to have a Property Management License in the state of the houses your LLC owns, and your other LLC property manages?

I ask as I am working to Airbnb my personal home's guest house and was told to start a Wyoming property mgmt LLC to run it (Hide the owner) and then put my main residents in a personal residence trust held my a different wyoming LLC. The goal is to have my personal name out of everything a creditor or disgruntle guest could fine. They cant see who actually owns the house or runs the airbnb... Just don't want to have to get my real estate license.


Every state is different in regards to property management, so it's case by case. But if you're going to create an LLC for protection, I'd say hire a PM. That gives you another layer of liability protection. Honestly, any engagement with tenants is really not worth it. I know it'll cost you, especially for an airbnb, but one slip up there is going to cost you far more.

You can't really ever prevent being sued, but putting as many blocks as possible prior really, really helps. I think the most valuable part of hiring a PM isn't just time, it's the liability of engaging.


For right now, I am only doing my guest house that is 15 feet away from my personal residence. A PM company would make the endeavor not worth it, and we are only renting it out part time for the time being. 

Quote from @John Mason:

@Lindsey Keller did you end up building a duplex on your property?


 I didn't, i ended up buying a different property in Encanto instead. Kind of wish I did now!

Post: Wyoming LLC formation??

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Think LLC formation is a necessary evil in regards to time and money consumption. If it's your only asset, then you got to as that's your everything to protect. If you have many, you have to cause you could lose it all.

1 WY holding LLC, two child LLCs in each state you operate in. Child 1 LLC owns the property, Child 2 LLC manages the property. They're binded by a management agreement. They are both owned by the Holding company and have an operating agreement between the two.

It's a lot of upfront work and fees, but worth it and I think that for anyone. If you're tight on funds to do it, then you shouldn't participate in investing. You're not cut out to weather any storm. I consider this the cost of doing business. And recommend it for everybody. Why risk it otherwise?


Assuming you own the LLC that owns the properties you are going to be PM'ing, would you then need to have a Property Management License in the state of the houses your LLC owns, and your other LLC property manages?

I ask as I am working to Airbnb my personal home's guest house and was told to start a Wyoming property mgmt LLC to run it (Hide the owner) and then put my main residents in a personal residence trust held my a different wyoming LLC. The goal is to have my personal name out of everything a creditor or disgruntle guest could fine. They cant see who actually owns the house or runs the airbnb... Just don't want to have to get my real estate license.

Post: Anderson Business Advisors

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

That was my concern. I think I was mainly looking at them to setup the Home trusts, holding LLCs and other LLCs. but with the right verbiage so I am completely protected. Do you have any recommendations for setup of these Trusts and LLC's with operating agreements that are iron clad so creditors/lawsuits cant get to other parts of my life?

Post: Anderson Business Advisors

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

Might be a long shot here, I am looking at Anderson now... Had the same concerns. Would anyone who has setup with Anderson be willing to share an example operating agreement or trust terms? 

Post: Airbnb cleaning service

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

I am in Phoenix and will be doing a Airbnb soon, who did you end up using? do you recommend them?

I went to search Phoenix market bust and found this thread. I am surprised there are not more people posting about the RE prices right now.  I laugh to think 2 years ago we thought maybe we were close to it. I wish now I would have bought more then.  

Now we are at a really interesting space with supply at an all-time low, demand increasing. Covid has done a number with the foreclosures not going through and low rates/ I am seeing houses that were 600 last year selling at 750k this year. It scares me a bit. I am wondering if when these foreclosures when they hit, how hard will it impact Phoenix? Likely not as much, with everyone moving here...but do we think at the end of this year we may start to see some downturns as Ken states below? 

Would love your all thoughts...

Also for Phoenix market updates, I follow this weekly - https://cromfordreport.com/ind...

Post: Phoenix, AZ Cabinet Sources

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

For Flips -  JJ liquidators has basic RTA or assembled.  BMO has tons of cabinet suppliers, I also actually have used Ikea cabinets and found them to be very affordable and durable. 

Post: 4 Stages of Real Estate: Where Are We?

Lindsey KellerPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

I would say between 1 and 2. This market is really something else. Homes going 14% over asking on average, within 1-2 days.