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All Forum Posts by: Teesh L.

Teesh L. has started 3 posts and replied 25 times.

Quote from @Arthur P.:

@Teesh L. What about condos in n the area? For out of state prefer condos. What’s the market there in Memphis with condos?


I'm not actually sure - not looking at condos, just single family residences as we find that it's most resilient and prefer tenants looking for SFR they've been less transient in our experience.

Quote from @Vik G.:

Thanks all for the replies. Seems like Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis and Kansas City are the ones to focus on based on the responses here. 


I wouldn't rule out the areas around Atlanta! The turnkey property management company i work with has shown me some SFH deals around Covington and Decatur that are move-in ready and <$220K. In B- and above neighbourhoods. I'm Canadian so heavily rely on this company to help me and my partner source and manage our portfolio.

Quote from @Sean Tenney:

Just started looking in the Memphis area for properties in the $75k range. Cash offers. Looking to cashflow and wanting to pick anyone's brain about experiences in the area. Trying to get a feel for rentability, location, etc. Would love to look to get a team together in the local area. I'm an out of state guy down in FL and the market is just ridiculous here so trying to maximize $$$ for cashflow. Appreciate any help!

I am looking at single family rentals in Memphis as well, as recommended by the turnkey company we work with and Mike is right. The only worthwhile properties I've been presented with are about $110K+. But, I think we're looking in the right place because there are lots of cheap opportunities to buy (median price of a single family is ~$140K compared to the national average ~$400K), and over 53% of housing units in Memphis are renter occupied, amongst many other stats. 

Does anyone have recommendations for platforms or tools they like to use for assessing properties? Looking at SFRs only. Thanks in advance! 

Post: Debating a turnkey

Teesh L.Posted
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Quote from @Justin D' Apolito:

Here's my dilemma

I am thinking of purchasing a turnkey property in the name of getting some cash flow going. As of now I am going to do a cash out refi on a property that I've had for 5 years to put down on something ready to rent and potentially already rented. I am doing it this way mainly because I don't think I have the experience, knowledge or team in place to do something like a BRRRR or a fix and flip, but I don't know if this is the right way to go.


I would ultimately love to start scaling up and think I want to do it faster than something like this would allow because I would have to wait for probably a year or two to raise the capitol to purchase another property.

Anyone else going through something like this or have gone through it before?

Thanks friends!




If I'm understanding correctly, your dilemma is between buying turnkey or attempting a BRRRR? I think it depends on where you're looking and the deals you can find. Afterall it's all about the numbers anyway. If you're investing out of state/long distance, I would strongly recommend turnkey properties with professional property management. Trying to manage a BRRRR or flip from afar already gives me a headache thinking about it! Obviously, it's not impossible. People do it and it's successful, but you should be ready to devote a ton of resources and time to it if managing this yourself. Also, super important to be honest with yourself about how long of a vacancy period you can afford during this period of renovations.

Investing in turnkey properties will also allow you to diversify into different markets plus scale quicker. I currently work with a company that sources properties based on your criteria, they renovate, manage budgets, place tenants, and professionally manage the home and all of this has allowed me to scale my portfolio rather quickly. 3 homes in the last 1.5 years in Texas and Georgia.

Quote from @Susannah Nation:

I'm a new investor (0 deals), and we live in Marin County, in the SF Bay Area. We are homeowners. We also have a couple hundred thousand dollars in liquid assets to invest, plus time and motivation.

Seemingly our smartest place to start is investing long distance. However, neither of us has any knowledge or skills of renovation at all. Is it reasonable to attempt BRRRR long distance, knowing we'll be 100% relying on contractors we've never met? The alternative seems to be purchasing locally, which is ... insane.

I should also note that this wold be just me (a woman) managing all investment and rehab, which complicates things even more, if you've ever dealt with a contractor. 

Risky for sure... I am based in Canada and invested in an SFR in Scottsdale several years ago, that being my first investment. The property was not in distress, it was purchased at a really good price point for us at the time, so I don't really think it counts as a BRRRR but it did require light repairs. We were able to find a tenant rather quickly but within the year, a lot more work needed to be done which was a big nightmare as we relied on our realtor and property manager to execute. Ended up having to fly down a few times during that year to see to things ourselves. And when we had issues with the tenant such as rent collection, it was really difficult to deal with through the property manager. So... if you're a new investor and must rely on out of state/long distance investing like I did, I would strongly recommend starting with 1) turnkey properties 2) professional property management. It's worth the extra fees.

Similar to you, we're based in a city that's impossible to invest in for any sort of cash flow which is why we're investing in the States (lots more cash flowing opportunities!) But we learned from our mistakes in Scottsdale and now work with a company that sources properties for you in Texas and Georgia. They're turnkey, they manage renovations, they lock in tenant(s) for you, and manage the property. It's been completely on autopilot for us and we haven't had to deal with the tenant directly nor have we had to physically tend to our properties. With this company we've scaled our portfolio to 3 homes now. If you want to chat more please DM me! I wish I had the BP community when investing in Scottsdale back then!

Quote from @Jason Ridout:
Quote from @Teesh L.:
Quote from @Jason Ridout:

Hi @Lubica J., unfortunately it's very difficult to find a property where you can house hack and cashflow, especially in larger/more expensive cities. 

Typically house hacking is a way to subsidize your cost of housing, not cover it completely. A house with a suite that might rent for $2,500 upstairs and $1,500 downstairs, might generate a bit of cashflow, but if you live in one of the units and lose the $1,500 or $2,500 income from that unit, it almost certainly will not cashflow. The rental income will simply help cover costs.

One suggestion would be to buy a house with a suite and rent the upstairs as a STR or MTR. It would be easy to manage because it's so close, and you can get about double the rent as a STR or LTR. Renting a 3 bedroom upper unit to students or healthcare workers might work well.

I'm an investment focused realtor in the mid Vancouver Island area. If you have any questions or want to know any local strategies, let me know!

may i ask why you feel that house hacking is the preferred strategy? it sounds like it's going to bring on a lot more headaches to your employment situation than its worth.

I was lucky enough to have purchased my 2 bedroom pre-sale condo in Vancouver in 2015 when prices were still 'palatable', it's been rented out to the same tenant since then, which means that I have been unable to increase his rent to match the market rate (the difference I could be making is $1000+ per month difference!!!!). don't forget that strata fees only go up, my owners insurance has increased too, and the recent interest rate hikes have affected my monthly mortgage payments. in short, it's awesome I am a landlord in vancouver but there is little to no cash flow and i am bound by very strict tenant laws (something you must look into before investing anywhere).

of course we're all here because we know real estate is the best way to generate wealth and passive income, but there are no cash flowing opportunities in Vancouver or Toronto (the only cities my partner and i would consider investing in within Canada). which is why we looked at investing in the states. we have invested in Scottsdale (we self-managed and DO NOT recommend for out of country investors if you're working full time), and sold everything in 2019. Last year we got back into investing but specifically into SFRs and this time we knew what we needed from a property management perspective. We lucked out with a turnkey company we were referred to that helped us every step of the way from sourcing to taxes and refinancing. We now own in DFW and Atlanta. If you're interested feel free to DM me! 


 Hi Teesh. 

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that house hacking will bring headaches to your employment situation. Who lives on the same property as me has no effect on my job.

The reason I think house hacking is ideal is because it reduces your cost of living. Housing is most peoples largest monthly expense. If you can find a way to reduce that, that frees up capital and income to invest.

For example. I have 2 houses on my property. The second house is rented to a family paying $2,700/m in rent. My mortgage is $2,300/m. I am now earning money to live in my house. If there was only one house on the property, I would be paying the mortgage myself. I can use the income from my job to buy more houses instead of paying a mortgage.

Having a roommate, a basement suite, a STR or any other way you can have your home generate income, frees up money to invest elsewhere.


The original poster wants to househack, but in order to make any sort of profit they need to relocate to somewhere else either out of province/country. But their jobs won't allow them to stay employed if they relocate.  

Post: Is BPCON worth attending?

Teesh L.Posted
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Saw the BPCON23 event and wondering if it's worth attending. It's quite pricey to attend, but I feel like it would be a great place to network and find opportunities. Wondering if it's better suited for retail investors / institutional investors, agents or buyers, real estate companies or independents, etc. Any REAL and UNBIASED reviews of this event would be appreciated! 

Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Caroline Landreth:

Pros/Cons to the following scenario. Say you have $900k to invest would you prefer .....

A) Invest in x3 $300k houses that are turn key ready to rent (have already been nicely Reno'd so no capital expenditures needed in near future) and are in desirable locations so that the property will appreciate more over time

B) Invest in x4-5 $150-250k houses in less desirable areas that are also turnkey

C) Same as B but need to be rehabbed 

Depends on your capabilities, skills, time availability and resources at hand. 
For example, let's say your a GC or Project Manager in the trades by day profession, readily knowing how to manage a construction site, with all the connections for labor and material supply, in that one is going to benefit from doing the reno themselves most likely. 

(B) is a no-go plan regardless. A poor performing market is a descending market in the vast majority of cases. Remember this is INVESTING and with that our lens of focus is measured in years and decades not months. A poor performing market brings additional issues novices rarely think upon such as lack of vendors to service such area, lower tenant quality, higher instance of tenant damages, higher instance of tenant defaults, evictions etc. all driving up cost of operations. 

Thing to keep in mind is APPRECIATION CREATES CASH-FLOW.    Under (A) what the "big ugly"? Most often the worst thing a person can say is low cash-flow. Ok, but if it's an appreciating area/market that means your cash-flow is GROWING every year, right. So it's NOT a "bad" cash-flowing property, it's simply one requiring PATIENCE for it to "bloom" into a cash-cow, right. 
THAT is investing, by the very definition of investing, is it not? 

APPRECIATION is hands-down without doubt THE #1 MOST important component. Why? Because regardless of property or area your expenses WILL without doubt go UP year after year after year. If your NOT appreciating, that means your in a nightmarish scenario where operational expenses are out-pacing revenues and it's only a matter of time as those growing operational expenses cannibalize your cash-flow into oblivion, and into the red. 

"Guru's" whom I won't name that focus on fancy BS  tag-lines to sell memberships conveniently skip this entire force factor. Are they unaware of it, or just not fully informing people because it doesn't "sell the dream" IDK, and honestly I don't care, there just pumping sunshine up tail-pipes. 

it's whatever numbers work for you @Caroline Landreth! what's a great deal for you may not be a great deal for 90% of people. the point James made is valid about the B Scenario, hence my question about what you mean by "less desireable areas". but in summary, I am all for turnkey properties. less headaches, less hassle, no renovations, some companies guarantee repairs, and the property management aspect is what's super important to me. I'm Canadian investing in the US and I work full time, so I don't have the ability to sink time, effort, and resources to manage myself. if youre investing in Scenario A where they are in desirable locations, the asset is bound to appreciate over time. so the additional fees you would be paying for turnkey properties, property management, etc. are justified in my eyes

Quote from @Caroline Landreth:

Hi everyone,

I have a hypothetical for you and I am new here so I am sure this topic has been previously discussed somewhere in the depths of these forums so forgive me for just outright asking and not diving into that but I would love to know Pros/Cons to the following scenario. Say you have $900k to invest would you prefer .....

A) Invest in x3 $300k houses that are turn key ready to rent (have already been nicely Reno'd so no capital expenditures needed in near future) and are in desirable locations so that the property will appreciate more over time

B) Invest in x4-5 $150-250k houses in less desirable areas that are also turnkey

C) Same as B but need to be rehabbed 

I ran some quick calculations and it looks like the cash on cash and annual ROI are better in scenario A with some decent cash flow as well, and in my opinion less headache of rehab and just simpler in terms of management since there are less properties and little to do other than regular maintenance for the near future. Am I wrong about this? Am I not considering something? Thanks!


I think it all depends on your appetite for risk. A) low risk, good for appreciation and cash flow. B) medium risk, appreciation and cash flow. C) high risk, maybe cash flow (If it's in a less desireable area then there may be a cap on rent opportunities) and some appreciation (lots of factors affect appreciation. Main one would be the capital expenditures required). Personally I would go with A or B (but know the effects of a 'less desireable' area) because they're turnkey and reno'd. Rehab requires too much time and effort in my opinion! This article really helped me frame my thinking about rehab projects: https://blog.sharesfr.com/turn... Are you also planning a cash buy with the $900k? Because you can own a lot more than 3 properties within scenario A with $900k.