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All Forum Posts by: LaShanti Penn

LaShanti Penn has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Investing in a duplex

LaShanti PennPosted
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
Thank you for the resources!

Post: Investing in a duplex

LaShanti PennPosted
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@LaShanti Penn one of the biggest mistakes owners make is not understanding the different risks with different Property Classes.

They often look at cheaper properties that are Class C, but expect Class A results.

Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

When investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets. If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (always verify each area for yourself!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases.:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+, zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680, some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with zero or negative relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

What else can we assist you with?


 How can I learn about the property class? Where do I start with researching this aspect?

Post: Investing in a duplex

LaShanti PennPosted
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 4

@Mark Munson Thank you for the information. I haven't officially joined the NCREIA yet but I am going to a real estate investing workshop later this month in Durham so hoping to connect with a lot of people that weekend and will probably officially join and start going to more events. 

Post: Investing in a duplex

LaShanti PennPosted
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 4

I am a newbie and want to get into real estate investing. I have read a couple of Brandon Turner books and the only experience I have with real estate is the purchase of my home 8 years ago, which was a short sale. I have savings as well as the equity in my home as an option for starting capital. I may or may not be investing alone but I do have a friend that is interested in learning along with me. I notice that people on these forums suggest multifamily quite a bit and the market here in Charlotte is pretty slim so I looked in nearby cities. In Hickory (about an hour away) I see some listings for brand new duplexes around $380k. I am intrigued by this only because it seems fairly reasonably priced for a duplex, much less a brand new one. I have never been a landlord but Hickory is close enough that I would probably handle it myself versus hiring a property manager. I have not made a move towards anything yet just because of fear of the unknown and trying to figure out how to vet deals. Does this sound like a good deal?