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All Forum Posts by: Larry Nielsen

Larry Nielsen has started 5 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: Raising Rent on Newly Acquired Property

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18

Thanks Julia. My train of thought too just a new situation for me.

Post: Raising Rent on Newly Acquired Property

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18

I own rental property but I have had them for a while. I am now looking at a property that is tenant occupied going to a month-to-month in November. Its a long term tenant who has not expressed interest in leaving. The rent is currently about $500 less per month than what my research tells me it could be for this property. I know this is a business but advice on purchasing a property and wanting to raise the rent up to fair market from being so much lower? I appreciate any feedback from investors/landlords who have actually experienced this about how they handled it. Thanks in advance.

Post: Looking for Wholesale Listings in South Carolina

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18

Hello all, where can I be connected with wholesalers in South Carolina to send me properties they are wholesaling?

Thank you.

Post: Section 8 or Traditional Rental?

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Balakishan Chenna:
Quote from @Travis Biziorek:

I'd echo @Denis Ponder. I have 8 cash paying tenants and 3 S8.

Well, technically I now have 2 S8 because one of them had their voucher reassessed and it went to $0.

There are pros and cons to the program, and you need to be aware of them all. I'll take whatever tenant makes the most sense but I'd prefer a cash paying tenant.

My experience is in the Detroit market FWIW.

sorry Travis, you had bad experience. I did leased to 200 sections8 teanants in last 12 months . and overall 300+ in last 8 years. I personally own 22 homes and the tenants are 100% section 8. I did both section 8 and non section 8 past few years . And i had damages / evictions in both cases. Somehow I am sticking to section 8 for 100%. For cashflow ( higher than FMR / market rent) and guranteed rent ( offcourse you had bad experience). Guaranteed rent as in 99%+ sections8s


 Thank you Balakishan.

Post: Section 8 or Traditional Rental?

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Larry Nielsen with the proper screening system, whether S8 or cash-paying tenants - doesn't matter:)


Thanks Drew. That's what I hear from people who have Section 8 rentals. That's good to hear. Screening is screening and just because someone is on Section 8 doesn't make them a bad person or mean they will wreck your house. Anyone can do that. That being said, I only have experience with traditional rentals personally so I am seeking advice and information. I appreciate your reply.

Post: LLC Tips for Real Estate Investors

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Larry Nielsen The goal of a real estate investor should be to maximize the performance of your real estate while avoiding incoming liabilities against the real estate and yourself personally. I believe its important to start there. Next you should be able to articulate how an LLC will advance those adjectives. Most real estate investors who raise LLC questions on BP forums cannot articulate the risks they are protecting against or how an LLC will provide the appropriate levels of protection. Meanwhile, they form LLC's in preparation for when claims or conflict will arise almost as if there is an acceptance this will occur.

The irony is most investors who form LLC's do not operate them correctly, fail to obtain appropriate types or amounts of insurance coverage, fail to understand their coverage exclusions, take short cuts and don't obtain permits, use unlicensed and uninsured vendors, fail to execute contracts with same vendors, don't understand the mechanism of additional insured status, indemnification etc. and are actually more prone to claims and conflict with their LLC than the individual who does not own real estate in an LLC but understands these tools I mentioned. The individual who owns the real estate in their personal name but understands these key principles is also better prepared to address any claims or conflict if and when they arise than the individual who owns their real estate in an LLC and ignores these important operational functions.

Until more investors learn to operate their real estate businesses correctly they will be at the mercy of greedy asset protection services who take advantage of their own naiveness and upsell on unnecessary services. I am not saying LLC's are bad or real estate investors shouldn't own real estate in an LLC. I am actually an advocate for owning investment real estate in an LLC, but in a far simpler fashion than most believe is necessary.


Stuart, thank you for the detailed reply. I agree with you there as well. I admittedly don't know what is best. I already own rental property not in an LLC and I have owned and sold others in the past. However, I had insurance coverage that I was advised was appropriate and I operated by what I understood landlord/tenant law was and used professionals. I communicate with tenants and address any minor issues before they become large ones. I am more thinking of moving forward, I am at a stage where I am looking to acquire 6 to 10 properties from now through 2025 (that's the plan) and I was inquiring as to the best way to own those properties that would offer asset protection and tax advantages. Again, admittedly I don't know the answer so I thought I would start by asking here. You're right, some asset protection professionals push one side over the other and some business owners offering advice may not offer advice that's right for me. It's hard to know 100% what the best option is but I thought I would see what feedback I got here. I just want to structure it right from the start. I appreciate yours reply.

Post: Moving Properties to an LLC?

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Dean Valadez:
Quote from @Tyler Carter:
Quote from @Dean Valadez:

I am curious about this as well as I have a single family that was once my primary residence, I moved out and am turning it into a rental property. If I have it under an LLC, would the deed also need to transfer to the LLC to avoid having my personal name attached?

Dean, yes. If the property isn't financed then that is probably not as big a deal - Check tax implications and know there are other LLC rules to follow. If it is still financed then that is where the issues start in my case. The mortgage holders may call you to pay off the mortgage (refinance) if the deed is moved over to a LLC. Considering a lot of my properties still have sub 4% rates, that is not something I am crazy about at all.

Thanks, Tyler. The property is financed at about 3% rate with maybe $45k left in the loan. I hear some people say that most/many lenders won't care if an LLC pays the loan so long as they are getting their money. As this is my first time doing this, I cannot speak from experience. 

Newbie question: what is the best way to transfer the deed to the LLC? Go through a title company? Are there closing costs associated with that? Go through a lawyer? Same closing costs? DO a quitclaim? How do I do a quitclaim?

If you have a mortgage on the property and transfer it to an LLC (the LLC would be a different owner) it could trigger a due-on-sale clause. Check with your lender first as well as the other advice that you got on here.

Post: Moving Properties to an LLC?

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Tyler Carter:

Just because you hear something doesn't mean it's true. Educate yourself. If you are going to take on the extra work required by an LLC, make sure you have a valid reason to do so.

An LLC is useful for two things: anonymity and legal protection. In most cases, neither is warranted.

Warning: I am not an attorney, and this can be a complicated topic. Please note the information provided below is a layman's definition designed to provide a basic understanding for the general audience. You should consult an attorney or CPA for your specific situation.

ANONYMITY: When you create the LLC, your name is recorded on the documents and published on the Secretary of State's website for all to see. So you're not completely anonymous. If you want to be completely anonymous, you can use a Registered Agent. The Registered Agent will record the documents on your behalf so only their name and information appear on the documents. I've done this with my properties because I'm well known in my small town and don't want people to know what I own.

LEGAL PROTECTION: By placing your assets in an LLC, you are legally separating them from your personal assets. If someone injures themselves and sues, they will be suing the LLC and not you personally. If your insurance coverage isn't enough, they could seize the LLC assets, but not your personal assets.

Additional thoughts:

1. An LLC is not free. You can spend as little as $100 to form an LLC, or you could use an attorney and spend $1,000 or more. There are also additional costs of operating and maintaining an LLC, like separate bank accounts, annual report filings, tax filings, etc.

2. There are rules to follow! If you fail to follow the rules, you may open your personal assets to a lawsuit. An example of this would be mixing your personal money and LLC money in the same bank account.

3. You do not need a separate LLC for each property or a series LLC! Don't make your life more complicated than it has to be. Most professionals will recommend a separate LLC for every $1 million in assets but I don't think that's necessary. In my case, I have residential rentals in one LLC, commercial properties in another, self storage in a third, and my real estate company operates in a fourth. Some have more than $1 million in equity while others have less.

4. The need for an LLC is grossly exaggerated on BiggerPockets and other websites. Have you ever heard of a Landlord being sued by a Tenant and losing property? I've been on this board since 2010 and haven't found an example yet. You've probably heard of big Landlords losing property, but only because they were flagrantly violating Fair Housing, running a slum, or otherwise violating the law in an egregious manner. You are more likely to be struck by lightning twice. The vast majority of lawsuits against Landlords are for wrongful eviction, security deposit disputes, and Fair Housing Violations. Your primary insurance policy with $300,000 in liability coverage should be sufficient in 99.999% of all lawsuits.

5. The best protection for you and your investments? Know and obey the law. I manage around 400 rentals with 14 years of experience and have never been sued once. Even if I were sued, I document everything and obey the law, so I won't be found guilty. Even if I were found guilty, the cost would be in the thousands, not in the millions. Insurance would cover it, I would pay the deductible, and no assets would be lost.

If you are in an area like San Diego where people are more likely to sue, a judge is more likely to find you guilty, and the payout is expected to be higher, you may consider an umbrella insurance policy. This policy will provide additional coverage above what your existing policy covers. It's easy to obtain, costs very little, and doesn't require extra, on-going effort to maintain.



 Hey thank you for this information Nathan

Post: LLC Tips for Real Estate Investors

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @John Mason:

@Larry Nielsen

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/1181145-moving-properties-to-an-llc


 Thank you John

Post: Section 8 or Traditional Rental?

Larry NielsenPosted
  • Investor
  • Venice, FL
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Travis Biziorek:

I'd echo @Denis Ponder. I have 8 cash paying tenants and 3 S8.

Well, technically I now have 2 S8 because one of them had their voucher reassessed and it went to $0.

There are pros and cons to the program, and you need to be aware of them all. I'll take whatever tenant makes the most sense but I'd prefer a cash paying tenant.

My experience is in the Detroit market FWIW.


 Thank you Travis. Makes sense. I appreciate the reply.