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All Forum Posts by: Oladimeji Sonibare

Oladimeji Sonibare has started 14 posts and replied 68 times.

Post: How to Wholesale Seller-Financed Leads

Oladimeji SonibarePosted
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 38

Hey, Guys!

I’ve got a property that’s for sale by owner and the owner is warming up to the idea of Seller-Financing. Is there anyone that’s wholesaled a seller-financed property before? Any complications I should look out for? How best do we combine creative financing and wholesaling?

Thanks for your time!

Quote from @Arthur Cook:

I'm looking for a good CRM for tracking Wholesaling Leads. 

I'm using a list of NODs and door knocking to generate leads. Since it is a long process and usually requires multiple interactions and visits, I realize I need a good system to track each lead and my interactions with them. 

Does anyone have any CRM recommendations that they think could provide this sort of service well?

Thanks!!

Yes. Calltools is a great combination of both a CRM and a Dialer. I’ve gone through a few and none have come even close to this.

At $120+ a month though, it is pretty pricey. Best of luck!
Quote from @Mohammed Rahman:

Hey @Oladimeji Sonibare - excited to see you getting closer man! 

I've run into similar scenarios and have observed my clients typically doing 50/50 - however, this is usually with a partner they've already been working with for a while and have done a few deals. You may want to consider taking less with the perspective of building a long term relationship since it sounds like you're putting in $0 into this, if so -- you're taking no risk. 

If I were you, I would try to structure it in a way that the financing partner gets the lion share of the returns up until they hit their required return. 

For example, if you ask them what % return they're aiming for and they say 10%, you can recommend taking only 5% (just an example, can be higher) of all cashflows/profits/etc. until the deal hits the 10% return. Anything above a 10% return, you get 30% (or higher) of the profits/etc. 

It's more complicated than a simple 50/50 split, but based on our conversations and voice notes, this may help your financing partner feel more comfortable since your payout is now tied directly to how well you run the property/deal. 

Good luck! 

Dude. Excellent advice and your excitement’s appreciated, Mohammed. This is exactly the kind of solution I was looking for. A way to make our partnership more equitable. He’s obviously taking a chance on me so I feel like my return should be strictly tied to performance.

Thanks, as usual.
Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Oladimeji Sonibare Ideally you should set aside money for cap ex from the beginning, and every month an amount taken out of cash flow and put aside for future capital expenses. Theoretically no one should come "out of pocket" for sudden expenses. It should be funded from capital reserves. The more money you keep in reserve the safer your investment is. The less money you have for reserves the riskier the investment.

This is one thing that can kill new or careless investors. They have no money put aside for very predictable but random costs. You know you will eventually have to replace a water heater for example, you just don't know when. Many investors bleed their investments dry and have no resources when the unexpected comes up. 

You are absolutely right, Ned. There are some things that I know to be prepared for and I plan on setting money aside to address those things. What I’m not prepared for, however, is a pipe exploding and flooding the property, for example. Who takes care of that, in our scenario? That’s the kind of thing I’m trying to brainstorm. He’s taking all of the financial risk, as the silent partner, so I think it’d be equitable if I took care of emergencies without involving him again. After we’ve saved.
Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Oladimeji Sonibare It is a negotiation. It is more about meeting the expectations of each partner than is is meeting some idea of what is "fair". 

50/50 is common but there are other considerations as mentioned before. Who gets paid first if there is a shortage. Is there a preferred return (minimum return for one investor) Does the other party to get part of the potential profits as well as potential losses, or  does the other party want  a safer but secured position?

A good starting point is a discussion of does the other party want to maximize potential return or to minimize risk.


 Thanks, Ned. I’ll take all of that into consideration. The biggest headache though, is figuring out how to jointly save for cap-ex and determining who pays for what as far as emergency expenses. I think we just need to talk it out. 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Oladimeji Sonibare:

Hey, guys!

I’m getting close to closing on a deal with an equity partner. This will be my first partnership so have no frame of reference. What’s the best way to split our equity if he’s providing the down payment and I’m managing the asset on my own? I want to be fair to the both of us.


Thanks for your time.


 as others mentioned, I have done similar where we would do a 50/50 split and if there are no profits they would get any money back first since the are the ones with skin in the game. Also make sure your operating agreement would settle if there are any losses.

I appreciate your input, Chris. You’re always of great help. 
Quote from @Riaz Gillani:
Quote from @Oladimeji Sonibare:

Hey, guys!

I’m getting close to closing on a deal with an equity partner. This will be my first partnership so have no frame of reference. What’s the best way to split our equity if he’s providing the down payment and I’m managing the asset on my own? I want to be fair to the both of us.


Thanks for your time.


 A 50/50 split is most typical for a flip with a capital and day to day partner. A hold can be a little more creative. If this is your first deal with this partner and it went relatively well (aka you'd like there to be a second, third, so on ...) then try to reimburse the cap partner with as much of his initial investment as possible...After that you can pay split the cash flows 50 / 50.

If there's a very healthy amount of equity in the deal - consider paying him a return on his initial investment in exchange for a greater percentage of the asset. 

For ex) a $100k initial investment. Gets paid $110k on the refinance. Equity split is 60 / 40. 

Thanks for the advice, Riaz. That makes a lot of sense; I hadn’t considered that. 
Quote from @Chris Winslow:

Hi @Oladimeji Sonibare, people structure these all kinds of ways so it's really up to you at the end of the day but a common structure is one partner funds the deal and one partner manages the deal and then all profits are split 50/50, good luck!

Thanks, Chris. I suspected as much but he’s used to investing in syndications, which, I think, tend to play by different rules. He was confused when I suggested the split but I want to find a way to reassure him.

Hey, guys!

I’m getting close to closing on a deal with an equity partner. This will be my first partnership so have no frame of reference. What’s the best way to split our equity if he’s providing the down payment and I’m managing the asset on my own? I want to be fair to the both of us.


Thanks for your time.

Hey, All.

I'm looking to purchase a mid-sized multifamily property with a partner. He's providing the bulk of the funding; I'm analyzing the deal. Where I'm stuck is figuring out how to add value. I understand that MF's are priced according to their NOI. What are some creative ways to increase cash flow/reduce expenses, in your experience?

Sb: These properties already come with washer/dryer sets and if you know of a way to find MF deals for LESS, you’re also welcome to respond.


Thanks a lot!