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All Forum Posts by: Kyle Vogeler

Kyle Vogeler has started 15 posts and replied 74 times.

Post: New to Real Estate Investing- Looking to make connections

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

That's an impressive savings goal at your age - well done! I also look for distressed properties and have a few under contract in Ohio. Message me if you would like to ask questions or discuss strategy. Talk soon!

Post: Another property or 401k?

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

Keaton,

I had a similar thought process a few years back when I first got into my finance career. Not saying you have to follow the same path, but this is what I did: 

- I maxed out my 401(k) and stock account because I KNEW saving was important... I wanted to get into real estate, but I realized that I didn't know enough yet to be successful.

- I started absorbing as much real estate information as I could. Listening to multiple podcasts a day, reading books, and analyzing properties online.

- I started small and grew. Once I felt confident that I could successfully complete a real estate deal, I started small because I knew I was going to make mistakes and its better to make mistakes on a small scale first. I used my stock account funds to buy my first property. 

- Then I dove fully in. I continued learning and analyzing like crazy and prepared to scale. Once the opportunity to scale came, I jumped on the deal, used my funds that I've saved over the years to fund the properties and have been following a steady growth plan ever since. 

Moral of the story - always prepare before investing. Time spent learning is still progress being made. When you aren't investing in real estate, direct as much money as you can to stocks/IRA's/and 401(k)s - that way when the time comes, you will have money for your next deal!

Post: Finding private investors

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

Continue to post on Bigger Pockets and start going to as many local real estate events as you can! Meeting investors start with you making connections. It make take some time to get your first deal, but it will come for those who are persistent!

Post: Challenges of Owning/Operating a HAP property

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33
Quote from @Lucas Miles:

@Kyle Vogeler HUD buildings with a HAP contract, often called project based section 8 contract is a fairly specific niche asset type. We stumbled into an off market opportunity like this a few years ago, we were able to close on the project, and now are buying several more of these projects.

Few high points:

HUD will need to approve both you and your management agent as buyers/managers of this property. Manager will need to have experience managing HUD HAP properties, and can be challenging to obtain approval as a buyer without previous experience. This is a tedious and long process, 6-9 months to obtain approval from HUD is not unrealistic.

There is a contract with HUD that stays with the property (rather than with the tenant), one of the differences to a section 8 voucher.

The contract with HUD has a few key terms to be aware of. Things like, what the rents are set to, future rents, how long is the contract, any replacement reserve requirements, potentially return to owner limitations, tenant income restrictions, etc. Many things you should understand prior to getting into one of these.

There are income restrictions for the tenants based on the AMI (area median income). You have to follow these and can't just rent to anyone. 

Definitely are some opportunity to deals like this with less competition, but make sure you understand the details with the contract! 


 Thank you, this was very helpful!

Post: Challenges of Owning/Operating a HAP property

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Kyle Vogeler how many units in the property?

Some larger HAP projects may require an onsite PMC with specific Affordable Housing designations.


 This would be a 22 unit building. Do you know if an on site manager is required?

Post: Challenges of Owning/Operating a HAP property

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33
Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Kyle Vogeler  If by HAP you mean what is more commonly called section 8, it is a national funded program but each area has it's own office and rules. 

In my area we get, higher rent and tenants stay longer. But there are annual inspections that can be nit picky and it takes longer to get it rented due to a month delay in bureaucracy to get approval. No special property management needed her in Baltimore.

If it is not already rented then I don't know what you are referring to. Is there some requirement you rent to HAP?   


Okay, that makes sense. I have had similar experiences with buildings in other areas. The realtor made it sound like this property was strictly a HAP property, but I will double check with him to see if he meant that all the current tenants happen to be section 8 or if he meant that any current and new tenants must be section 8. 

Post: Challenges of Owning/Operating a HAP property

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

Hi all, 

I am looking into a property that is designated as a HAP property. The seller has indicated that there are many specifics that need to be followed for this type of property, such as having a property manager with a special certification. 

Does anyone on here have experience with these types of properties? What are some challenges that you faced? What were the upsides? 


Thanks!

Post: Getting started with $220,000 equity

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

Jacob, 

PM me and you can ask any questions you may have. I would be happy to answer them and to make a new connection. 


I look forward to speaking!

Post: What’s One Thing You Wish You Did Differently on Your First Deal?

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

I would probably say that I am upset that I didn't buy a quadplex first and utilize the first time home buyer 3-5% down. Starting out, cash is king, and that 15-18% difference between what I paid and what I could've paid could've gotten me another property. 

Post: Looking for a mentor (will contr

Kyle VogelerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Emmaus, PA
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 33

Hey Richard! PM me so we can chat more - I would enjoy talking to you about real estate and what I've learned so far, and it just so happens that my business partner is an electrical engineer as well.

Look forward to talking, 


Kyle