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All Forum Posts by: Kyle R.

Kyle R. has started 8 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: New fourplex owner questions (utilities, rent, etc...)

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103

In my opinion, it's easier to just add the water/sewer expense to rent. I cover water/sewer at my 80 unit and ended up dividing the bill among the units and labeled it as a rent increase. After that, I went through each unit and installed tamper proof aerators on all faucets, along with low flow shower heads. Within a month my water bill was cut by $1,500, which was nearly 50%. 

Post: Buying a 24 unit as your first multi-family investment

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @Jaysen Medhurst:

@Blaine Watson, I think you should start smaller--a 4-plex maybe. You're going to make some mistakes and a smaller property will be easier to handle as you learn the ropes.

Additionally, you will have a very hard (read, near impossible) time getting commercial financing for a 24-unit property if you have no experience. That's the determining factor (beyond the deal fundamentals) for lenders. Why would they lend a couple of million bucks to someone with no experience?

I wouldn't let financing stop you from trying to acquire a larger multi-family property for your first deal. My first multi-family purchase was an 80 unit and prior to that, I only had three condos. I financed the property via a commercial loan from one of the larger banks. My experience wasn't questioned and I was 24 at the time. As long as you have the capital to put 20% down and the property has a solid DSCR, financing shouldn't be an issue.

Post: Number of washers/dryers at 80 unit

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @Troy Sheets:
Originally posted by @Kyle R.:

Thank you all for the input, I’m going to order a new Whirlpool washer and dryer.

Part of the reason collections could be low is that I do not have a quarter dispenser in the laundry room. Theft is a concern as the laundry room was broken into last year.

 Cameras would be a good idea if not already installed. Would be good for you and for your residents safety. Are you managing this yourself? The numbers seem extremely low so I'm curious if someone else is collecting and skimming? 

I don’t manage it, I outsourced it to a management company. However, I’m the only one with keys to open the coin boxes.

Post: Number of washers/dryers at 80 unit

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103

Thank you all for the input, I’m going to order a new Whirlpool washer and dryer.

Part of the reason collections could be low is that I do not have a quarter dispenser in the laundry room. Theft is a concern as the laundry room was broken into last year.

Post: Number of washers/dryers at 80 unit

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @John Warren:

@Kyle R. your collections are really, really low based on the research I have done! I have a 9 unit apartment building in Berwyn right outside of Chicago, and we average more like 125-150 per month in collections. Are you trying to optimize your income from the laundry, or is it just there as an amenity? I would survey your residence and see if the machines are working well. It seems like maybe it is time to update the laundry room so that your can get more income from it. 

The machines are expensive, but one other nice thing is that modern machines can accept blue tooth and internet money collection. I looked into pay range quite a bit, and liked the look of their product. 

 Thanks for the note. As of now, I'm viewing the laundry room as an amenity. However, I'd like to optimize my income as the current collections are very low. It's a class C/D property, so I'm hesitant to pour too much money into machines as they'll be beat up.

Any recommendations as to manufacturers? So far I've found Speed Queen to be the best, and Whirlpool not far behind.

Post: Number of washers/dryers at 80 unit

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103

I acquired an 80 unit complex early last year that featured a coin operated laundry room. There's a total of ten machines, five washers and five dryers. One washer and dryer recently went out and is beyond repair. I was planning on replacing each, however, the laundry room generates only $100 each week. Based on the run price of $1.50 per cycle, the washer and dryer is run about 33 times each every week, or around 5 times a day. As a result, I'm leaning towards not replacing and just having 4 washers and 4 dryers. Thoughts? I feel like there should be more machines present, however, collections are low.

Post: Short-term corporate rentals

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @Clay Sexauer:

Aside from VRBO and Airbnb, does anybody have any recommendations on where to market short-term corporate rentals? The unit would include all furnishings and include all bills paid. Thanks for your input!

Providing you have access, the MLS would be my first choice. A family member listed their home for sale last month. They were contacted by a buyers agent and asked if they'd consider renting it for 6-12 months to a corporate relocation tenant. Market rent is $5k a month and they offered to pay the full term upfront. I could be wrong, but I feel most who are being relocated hire an agent to find rentals of interest. By default I'd imagine they search the MLS first.

Post: Eviction of Tenants...........................

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103

Are you implying that legal hurdles don't exist when evicting commercial tenants and all leave the commercial property in the same condition it was rented? If so, there's quite a bit of naiveté in your statement.

Providing management screens properly, you nearly mitigate the risk of residential evictions. Don't forget, people will always need a place to sleep. However, the same is not true for a commercial storefront. Not sure about you, but I'd rather properly screen tenants than deal with disruptive change created by companies such as Amazon.

Post: Buying A House At 22. Am I Doing The Right Thing?

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Suggest you only use your FHA mortgage slot to buy a 4 plex at your age in that location its about doors.

@Jessie Niu  disagree .. just depends on where you live.

My first house at 19 was in Milpitas CA..  I parlayed that one Bay area house into 2 homes in Palo Alto.. if you know anything About BAy area real estate you know where I am going with this.. the 500k tax free exemption when you move is the single best tax treatment we have as Americans.. I did it in the Bay Area 3 times and in Oregon 2 times and just about ready to do it for a 4th time on my potential move to Vegas.. 500k tax free equity spends quite nicely.

I second the 4 plex FHA route. Purchased my first unit at 19 and now have 81 doors at 24. My only regret is not starting off in multi-family.

Post: Help estimating CapEx: Analysis shows $800 for $250,000 4-plex?

Kyle R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 92
  • Votes 103
Originally posted by @Taylor Thompson:

Hi, I'm trying to decide whether to make my first offer on a 4-unit, and my cashflow analysis depends entirely on what I budget for monthly CapEx. My estimate shows around $800 in total CapEx, which amounts to 20-30% of monthly rent, depending on what renovations I make. This seems higher than the typical 5-15% "rule of thumb" people use, so I'd appreciate advice from someone more experienced to see if my attempt to be conservative is overestimating CapEx.

Here are some details on the property: 

  • New England building, 3,000 square feet, built in early 1900s
  •  4-Units: two 3BR/1B, to 1BR/1BA
  • Property has had recent roof and heater replacement, but has had same tenants and little interior work done in 10 years; Class C property in Class B area 
  • Total market rent today of $3300 per month; $4,100 after $80,000 in renovation
  • I assume 10% repair cost before renovations, 5% after renovations 

Here's my CapEx Calculation (with Cashflow analysis on second tab). Can anyone spot any beginner mistakes that I'm making here? 

For what it's worth, I budget 8% for CapEx and another 8% for routine maintenance. I acquired an 80 unit six months ago and haven't had any issues setting aside a total of 16%. However, the complex was built in the early 90's.