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All Forum Posts by: Kyle Meyer

Kyle Meyer has started 0 posts and replied 3 times.

Hey, I work at Apartments and formerly Cozy on the software engineering team and just want to clarify: we do not report tenant's rent payments to credit bureaus any longer. Steven, you're right though that we have to report to the IRS how much money a landlord receives through the platform when it crosses the reporting threshold.

Credit bureaus promised that tenants reporting rent payment history would help tenants build credit. This seems a noble goal. However, in the real world, we saw issues with this. One is that we didn't get any actual evidence from credit bureaus that credit scores were improving. They may have; we don't know if or how much. The other is that any sort of offline payment, pre-payment, or in at least one case I can remember, a legitimate habitability issue that led to a tenant not paying rent one month led to a gap in that tenant's reported rent payment history. The next time a tenant in one of these scenarios goes to rent somewhere, their credit report show a gap in their rent payment history missing the context of why there's a gap, leading to a potentially rejected application even if their credit score is slightly higher.

Based on the data we've seen so far, reporting a tenant's rent payment history to the bureaus does more harm than good because of all the myriad things that can go wrong leading to a confusing permanent record for those tenants.

Hey y'all, I run the software engineering team for what was formerly Cozy and is now Apartments Payments. I'm speaking for myself, not any sort of official company opinion.

@Mike Malyy and others that have complained about this tax regulation change: I'm with you, this change sucks. Now if you sell something for $601 on eBay, you have to give them your social security number so that it can be reported. You'll then be obligated to keep receipts to prove whether that sale led to a profit or not and potentially pay taxes on the proceeds.

@Joe Splitrock is right though—this applies to all online payment facilitators and marketplaces. All online rent payment services will need to comply eventually, not process your payments, or start backup withholdings of 24% of your rent. In previous years, including this tax year, the threshold for federal 1099-K reporting was ≥200 payments and ≥$20,000. For this threshold, we've been filing 1099-Ks for years at Cozy, ever since our user base grew and people started qualifying. 

We're human people over here enforcing these new rules and, as the person with a good deal of responsibility for the software and therefore security of your data, I can tell you we take it extremely seriously. I'm sure the teams at other companies feel similarly.

Post: Cozy

Kyle MeyerPosted
  • Portland, OR
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Patrick M.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I do not recommend Cozy. The inherent flaw in Cozy's business model is that you cannot turn credit card payments off. If a tenant pays via credit card, they have a 90 day period to dispute the charge. For me, this resulted in a tenant going from fully paid, to behind 3 months in a single day. In this instance, Cozy will come after the landlord to collect the lost payments. This has resulted in 3 credit collection accounts being added to MY credit report. Cozy does not make this situation well known, and it is not discussed on this forum at all. I recommend utilizing a method for rent collection that does not allow for credit card payments.

 @Lucas Hall can you speak to this.

Hey y'all, my name is Kyle. I run the engineering team at Cozy that, among other things, writes the software that processes rent payments.

Gabriel is right, card payments can be disputed for 90 days—it's a mandatory feature of card networks in the US to help fight fraud. But it can be abused as well. ACH payments can be disputed in exactly the same manner, but for a slightly shorter time period of 60 days. From the dispute emails we send through Cozy after a dispute:

If you believe this was an error or misunderstanding on your tenant's part, get in touch with them directly and have them withdraw or rescind the dispute or fraud report with their bank or card issuer. If the tenant’s bank confirms that a dispute or fraud report has been rescinded or withdrawn, we will be able to return the funds to you via Cozy (which will happen according to our normal payout schedule following confirmation). Alternatively, your tenant can simply initiate a new payment via Cozy.

If you believe your tenant is breaching the terms of their lease agreement or that the dispute or fraud report is otherwise improper, you should pursue legal recourse outside of Cozy (in the same manner as if a tenant had placed a stop-payment order on a physical rent check delivered to you). Suspected illegal activity should be reported to law enforcement.

I'll add the ability for landlords to turn off card payments in our feature requests backlog. But, it's also worth considering that, especially during the pandemic and record unemployment, the ability for renters to pay with credit cards could be the difference between them paying rent and not.