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I think the answer to your question strongly depends on your definition of a "good deal". The higher return/criteria you set, the more difficult it will be to find or make.
By good deal I mean around 10% coc
Sure, that's easy as all heck. I can pipe-line ya a handful per week if not daily. Only catch, it's gonna be -D properties, Sec8 tenants, and you may need to invest in a bullet proof vest and complete a conceal-carry class to visit your properties.
I’ll go get an ar15 real quick
I'm not joking on the vest and carrying. I have been in the situation before. Had a PM get rushed by squatters at one, have had some properties get shot up. Break-in's are a Tuesday. And yes, homicides, they happen.
But hey, if that's your flavor, go for it. Sec8 in the getto makes great cash-flow, if you can handle the stress load of it all and put together the team of people with brazz-ballz to go into the areas and risk getting car-jacked at any given moment. Sounds like a joke but I'm not joking, I spent years in sec8, I am speaking from experience. And yes, there is guys tough enough to do it, I had em working for/with me.
But looking back, I have 0 interest doing it ever again. Every day was a gamble, maybe it would be fine, maybe I'd get shot, maybe I'd throw someone out a 3rd story window, who-knew, every day was an adventure.
In your opinion, is it therefore not possible to automate the process to the point that you're removed from the day to day risk and stress and still take in higher returns on the cashflow or would the extra expenses of incurred with that type of management negate that? If not then I fail to understand why people invest in those areas at all especially when they may be sacrificing long term appreciation when stable returns can be had in better neighborhoods which might be better real returns. Do you have to be a Perry to make it work?
In the long run, yeah, I do.
Look, a "Perry", he's all about "livable" vs "nice". I may not look my age, but I got more than 3 decades in this biz. In that time I have seen the same story play out time and time again, the "mirage" that if you make it nice, sec8 tenant will "appreciate" it and all will elevate, getto-gardens will flourish, hugging circles will replace drive-bys and all will be well. Reality simply isn't so.
I have seen all kinds over the years, including gov. agencies, fall down that black-hole and the whole time that everyone is trying some jazzy new approach, improvement, tech, communications, messaging, BRIBES, while there all reliably failing again and again ONE and ONE ONLY is consistently doing A-OK, and that's the "Perry's", better known as "slum-lords".
Because the whole X-factor is property damage. Sec8 payment is via other, so that's not the crux of it all, how much beating your property can take and still post a profit is the game. And "Perry", he's got a doctorate in bare minimum for bare minimum $.
Could a person automate facets and do all of it remote, sure, of course, it's simply the most expensive way to do it and those returns will tumble. It takes a Napolian to make the "full-Monty" of sec8 work, but when it does, wow it really works.
Why do people jump into it? The simple obvious is Ego and $.
It's a hell of a cash-cow when done right, and those kind of returns get peoples ego running wild with they "Peff, I can do that, I ain't scared of nothing". Yeah, well, a few feces decorated units later, a body or two, acting an idiot to tenants happy to bash ones skull in later, that ego tends to turn into significant regret.
The world of sec8 is littered with failed landlords, all of which had the same idea, that they'd ignore what's worked for generations, do some jazzy what-ever, and slammed face-first into the brick wall of reality.
Like I said before, it takes a certain personality.
A 10 cap, it's not realistic in a simple stabilized property. A 10 cap, is a 10 cap, for a reason. If it were that one could just get any B+ property and get that great average Jane/John Doe tenant and post 10cap+, Wallstreet would be bankrupt because all the $ with half a wit would be a landlord.
You get what you pay for. That is the reality of it.