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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Drysdale

Kevin Drysdale has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Find Property or Investors First??

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0
I must agree with Gary McGowan as well! I've only been referred to Olympia Trust and outside of that the other info in that post was excellent! It's nice to know there are so many options for funding and this just happens to be one option that I may be able to utilize and help some close friends get above average returns with their registered accounts.

Post: Find Property or Investors First??

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

I'll try my best to reply to all the questions and comments. First, thank you to @Eleena de Lisser for the great detailed reply. That is how I feel as well, but everyone I have talked to, or heard about, always seem to find the deal first then stress over the money part. Just wondered if it was possible to find investors first or if they actually like to see the deal before even giving a maybe. :)

Some clarification...I will be looking for arms-length people to fund my flip. So Roy nailed the reasoning in his final paragraph. Banks don't like them because the BANK doesn't make money - the RRSP holder makes all the money. There are a few trust companies that are setup to do self-directed RRSP accounts though. My biggest draw to using RRSP money is that I know more people with large RRSP accounts (that are probably giving a pretty weak return) and not so many people with large amounts of cash.

@Dale Plant I can't explain exactly how it works here as there are entire books written on the topic but this is not just limited to RRSP money - it can be RRSP, RESP, or TFSA accounts. If you are interested in getting an awesome book that details this strategy I would recommend "The RRSP Secret" by Greg Habstritt. The "best" version of this is using an arms length person/people and you can keep your property outside of CMHC, bank has no say, etc just like private money. It is done by setting up a self-directed RRSP account that about 4 trust companies will actually do for you. The lender then receives an RRSP statement and it will show the mortgage on their statement along side any other investments they may have at the same trust company. Fees to setup the trust account are very small. I see the approximate 40% return as an annual return and is only able to be that high if using RRSP money for a flip. If they get paid 20% within 6 months then it is like a 40% annual return with interest paid out twice annually. If I could do 2 flips back to back with exact same numbers (my perfect world example) it would be as if they invested $100,000 for one year and got paid $20,000 in June and $20,000 in December. Yes, it is actually two deals and two investments each returning 20% but that 20% is actually earned in 6 months - not one year. And yes...tax deferred interest would be the better way to describe it.

@Roy N. Using non arms-length RRSP money is a lot harder and you are stuck dealing with a bank still. As outlined above, arms-length is the way to go (it looks as if you've learned about this as well) because all the banking rules are cut out and the lender actually becomes the bank - setting terms (full payout on sale of property if shorter than 1 year term), interest rates (any agreed upon rate), and even the maximum funding - up to 100% ARV if they are willing to take a larger risk.

Post: Find Property or Investors First??

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0
Thanks for the encouragement Aaron Montague. I have ran numbers on a couple properties locally and both would return between 15% and 20% for each party involved and I feel as if I erred on the side of caution for my numbers. Using top ranges for rehabbing fees and low end of numbers for any income. These are both at the starter home level though so I guess that spread could change in different market ranges. When you say post the deals here would I just link to the listing, detail the rehab/holding fees, and link to suitable ARV comps? Kevin

Post: Find Property or Investors First??

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

I've been studying and learning REI for about a year now. I am wanting to start with a few flips to generate some more capital to be able to get into some buy and hold properties. I'm building my team now - RE Agent, Contractors, etc and am wondering one thing. Should I start sourcing money partners to joint venture with now, or wait until I have a property? I am from Canada and one idea I have is to use RRSP money (Registered Retirement Savings Plan) to fund my purchase and reno needs. This allows PEOPLE to become the BANK and avoids so many complications - all while giving them a MUCH better return on their money than they are typically receiving - and all their profit is tax free as well. A great win-win situation! Anyway...I'm sure I am babbling as I tend to do that as I talk about this. What are your thoughts? Property or investors first??

VERY basic deal structure would be:

- 50/50 profit split

- minimum 15% return - but aim for 20%. I would even take a reduced profit to ensure all money partners received the minimum 15%, if needed, as I believe investors can and should be a lifetime relationship.

- projected timeline of 4-6 months (so if I can keep their money working for them via 2 flips per year they could earn 40% annually - all tax free!)

Thanks!

Kevin

Post: Multifamily Properties

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0
Thanks everyone for the replies. I didn't realize lenders would require reserves, but have good plans to have reserves as I do know there will be unexpected expenses. Also, I won't be investing locally (in my own city) so I would have a professional property manager. I also like the idea of property management because of the years experience they have screening and selecting tenants. I realize they won't get it right 100% of the time but way more than I know I would. :) How much does utilizing a property manager reduce the risk of poor tenant selection? Any success/horror stories in this area? I'm not looking for anyone to bash a property manager by name, but with no experience I'm curious how well they do for people.

Post: Multifamily Properties

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

I am in the midst of setting up a partnership with someone and it is looking like we will end up with about $60,000-$80,000 of investment capital. We are wanting to have multifamily properties and wonder what a good size is to start with? We don't have investment properties yet so this will be our first deal. I've seen 13 unit properties that would have down payment and closing costs in our range, but am wondering if that would be too "big" of a deal to start with? Is there more to the deal if there are more units? More paperwork, etc? Any input would be appreciated...thanks!

Post: Newbie from Manitoba!

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Thanks @Shahriar K. for the "approval" of what I was thinking of doing. I was already aware of the 80% max on the line of credit, but it's always good to have it out there in case people don't already know. I'm really hoping to have about $30,000 available on a line of credit by the time my reno is finished. Local friends that are pretty good at assessing house value have said it would be possible. Those high prices are what have made me believe it wasn't possible in the past. I came from a family of renters so I'm breaking new ground by being a young homeowner and even more ground by breaking into real estate investing. :)

Post: First Time Rental Property--Thoughts Please!

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

In Canada, Credit Unions seem to be a lot more flexible. That may be more like the smaller/local banks being talked about in the US. Don't limit yourself to the big name banks. I haven't had to approach a bank for investments yet, but when the time comes I'm sure I will hit up a smaller bank first. Also, around here banks have their business cycles. One bank will be actively seeking residential mortgages, while another is seeking business mortgages. Banks like to make you feel powerless (at times) so shop around and find the one that will work with you for this deal.

Post: Newbie from Manitoba!

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Thanks everyone for the welcome! I have downloaded the UBG ebook and have already started going through it. I love that I found a forum like this as I have learned so much from forums on the internet in a few of my hobbies. I know I will be very busy reading all kinds of forum posts and gaining a great wealth of education from them. I will definitely be checking out the podcasts. I've seen them mentioned a few times already - both from being recommended and how much people have learned from them. As far as investing in Canada or the US I'm not 100% sure yet. I have a friend that has real estate in both, but he is starting to invest more heavily in the US. He says costs are much lower for what he has just acquired. I also just met someone that specializes in US real estate investing. I will be doing everything I can to build both of these relationships to learn everything I can from them with the potential of partnering on a few deals.

@Roy N. Portage now has two potato processing plants - McCain's and Simplot. I think the flight school has been closed for a couple years, but Southport is still up and running. Economy wise, Portage has been growing strong in the past 5-10 years - A brand new retail section with new box stores and a multi-million recreation center are a couple of the largest improvements in the area. Real Estate has really increased in value in the past 10 years as well. I bought my home for $50,000 from a choice of about a dozen listings. Now the only listing under $100K is a very small 2 bedroom house that needs a LOT of work. It seems like the market here is at a high which makes it tough to consider local investing.

Any opinions on using a home equity line of credit so the funds are readily available for downpayment(s)?

Post: Newbie from Manitoba!

Kevin DrysdalePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Portage la Prairie, Manitoba
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Hi there! My name is Kevin Drysdale and I'm from a small city west of Winnipeg, Manitoba. I have been interested in real estate investing since I was about 16 years old, and now that I'm in my 30's I'm FINALLY working towards something. I know...why wait so long? Well...I didn't educate myself soon enough and always thought it to be too big of a dream for me to have now. I have lived pay check to pay check for way too long and have finally got to a place where I have some money that I can put away for investing. I purchased my own home (an estate sale) about 10 years ago. We are just finishing renovating our kitchen/dining room and I can't wait to see what that will do to the value of our house. I'm really hoping I will have some equity to work with! In any event...I have found this website and will include it's resources in my education. My goal is multifamily units but I am thinking I may need to do one or two single family buy and holds to generate the capital/leverage to step up into that market. I learn fast, am not afraid to try things, and am eager to get things started.