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All Forum Posts by: Kristopher Sharpe

Kristopher Sharpe has started 6 posts and replied 12 times.

BP,

What is the best way for a tenant to share proof of income/bank statements that is secure? I have set up Tenant Cloud for applications etc but I don't see a way to have them upload this proof of income/bank statements. Any ideas on the best way to securely do this? 

Hello BP,

I am under contract at the moment for a duplex. I am getting this deal off market. We just got done with appraisal and supposed to close on Friday of this week, however the appraisal kind of surprised me.

I have spoken with various property managers and they have all told me that I should be able to get ~1400$/mo per side of this duplex, however when the appraisal came back, the estimated fair market rent is 1200$/mo per side. The current owner has had the same tenants in there for 6 years and never increased rent so they are below market rent. 

I am purchasing this from a real estate agent, she was initially asking $400,000 I ran my numbers to be able to make 10% cash on cash ROI and said that was my top dollar to achieve this was 370k.

Here is my breakdown for my initial. I will be managing this property myself so have 0% for the property manager rate. 

The duplex appraised at 380k so that is good, however with the rent being 1200$/side here is the breakdown:

Do appraisal values typically come in higher/lower than reality, or are they usually pretty spot on? 

With the appraised value/rent would it make sense for me to just walk from the deal and lose my earnest money & inspection/appraisal costs? Or is it better to go with the estimated rent from a property managers estimation?

Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by @Steven Foster Wilson:
Originally posted by @Kristopher Sharpe:

Hello BP,

I am currently under contract to purchase a duplex in Colorado and had a question regarding the tenants that currently are in place. I am going to get an owner occupied loan and wanted to know your opinion should this scenario play out.

Currently the tenants have been in place for 5 years and have been on month to month basis with the current owner. The current owner has also not increased their rent since their initial lease. Currently they are well below market rent and I would 1) need to kick at least one of them out so I can get my owner occupied loan, and 2) need to increase their rent to market rent since they are substantially below.


Worst case scenario the tenants do not vacate at which point I cannot get the owner occupied loan. Theoretically, if they refuse to vacate would this be considered trespassing when they are on the property at the end of their notice to vacate? Or would this just fall under needing to evict them at that point?


I am completely working in hypotheticals here, they may just leave without issue, but just trying to go through possible scenarios. 
 

Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

Once you close on an owner occupied loan you have "60 days to move in" so plenty of time to serve the tenants a notice of non-renewal. If your tenants refuse to move out, then they are trespassing and will need to be evicted. 

Most people are reasonable though and will be sad but will move on. Make sure you do this in a legal way though. There are a ton of laws regarding tenant laws. 

 Thank you Steven, I appreciate your input. I will look into the tenant landlord laws just in case things go south. 

Hello BP,

I am currently under contract to purchase a duplex in Colorado and had a question regarding the tenants that currently are in place. I am going to get an owner occupied loan and wanted to know your opinion should this scenario play out.

Currently the tenants have been in place for 5 years and have been on month to month basis with the current owner. The current owner has also not increased their rent since their initial lease. Currently they are well below market rent and I would 1) need to kick at least one of them out so I can get my owner occupied loan, and 2) need to increase their rent to market rent since they are substantially below.


Worst case scenario the tenants do not vacate at which point I cannot get the owner occupied loan. Theoretically, if they refuse to vacate would this be considered trespassing when they are on the property at the end of their notice to vacate? Or would this just fall under needing to evict them at that point?


I am completely working in hypotheticals here, they may just leave without issue, but just trying to go through possible scenarios. 
 

Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

Originally posted by @Bradley Sriro:

@Kristopher Sharpe If you are planning on house hacking, it's not a home run but it looks like a fairly solid deal with you being able to live there for between $300-$400 per month with the other side being rented at $1500/mo. Are you basing the property taxes on the current owners taxes or are you accounting for the increase based on your purchase price of $375k? Also, with regards to the insurance figure... Is it based on a quote you got for the property or simply an estimate? 

 Bradley, thank you for your feedback. After talking to my lender for a couple of different properties their estimated taxes were almost identical to Zillow which is usually ~0.6% of the assessed fair market value of the property. The insurance figure is simply an estimate, I have not gotten an actual quote yet but rough number.  

Originally posted by @Darius Ogloza:

The tax number seems awfully low for the purchase price.  Not sure where the property is located but double check that rate. In most parts of the country, you will likely almost certainly get a higher assessment after the sale is recorded.  For example a 1% rate on the purchase price would be $312.50/month, not $150.  

 Thank you Darius. From what I've researched my state/county has ~0.6% of the properties assessed fair market value in taxes. 

Originally posted by @Brock Mogensen:

Did you also account for a tax increase?  Depending on when this deal last traded, you may see a tax increase when you buy it.  Otherwise I think the numbers look pretty decent.  I'd also account for a PM fee unless you plan on managing it forever.  It's always good to make sure the numbers work even with a PM fee, in case you decide to outsource it to a PM one day.

Thank you Brock. I am planning on managing it forever. Long term goals would be to create a property management company, but that's a few years and a few more deals down the road. 

Originally posted by @Forrest Faulconer:

Hey @Kristopher Sharpe, the numbers look good, keep in mind that these are the numbers for when it is fully rented out, you should be able to cash flow around $500-$600/month total or $250-$300/month for each door.

However, you said you are looking at it as a house-hack, that being said you may want to run the numbers with only one side paying rent and you are responsible for the other side. When I run those numbers real quick, you can probably drop vacancy to 2.5%, repairs and maintenance may look different with you living on-site as well. When it's all said and done it looks like you will be paying $350-$400/month to live there. Pretty affordable, but not rent-free either, given that information, is it still worth it for you to live there?

Forrest Faulconer

Thank you @Forrest Faulconer I appreciate your input. I was running the numbers as though both sides were rented out even though I would be living in one since eventually I would be renting out both sides. Additionally, while I am living there I will likely be renting out 1 of the spare rooms so should be living for free. I did not want to account for that additional income since I tried to keep my calculations solely as though I was not living there and what I could get for it being 100% tenant occupied. 

Hello BP,

I found an off market deal and I wanted to see your opinion on my analysis and whether or not I should move forward with this deal for a house hack. The property is a duplex each side being 1160 sqft 3 bed 2 bath, 2 car garage and a yard. Both sides also include a washer and a dryer. I am running my numbers based off 1350$ per side. My realtor believes I can get 1400$-1500$ especially if I allow pets (which I intend to do). 

The seller was initially asking 400k, I offered 370k and they cover closing. They countered at 375k and they cover closing. Here is my analysis for the 2 different scenarios with a conservative rent of 1350$ and a more aggressive rent of 1500$. 

Any advice would be much appreciated!

Conservative Rent:

Aggressive Rent:

Hello all,

I am looking at making my first REI and finally found a property I am extremely interested in but wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. I found an off market deal for a 3 bed 2 bath duplex each unit having a 2 car garage and a decent sized yard. Each duplex is individually metered gas and electric, the water/sewer/gas is shared and the previous landlord has been paying that separately. I would be moving into one of the units for probably 2-3 years while saving for a down payment for another deal, for my calculations I am assuming both units are rented out. Am I missing any costs or not budgeting enough towards any of the costs. Additionally, if I were to allow pets (which I will) I could likely add another 50-100$/month, I did these calculations as conservative as I could.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Purchase Price$375,000.00
Down Payment20.00%
Interest Rate2.88%
Loan Term (Months)360
Vacancy Rate2.70%
Property Manager Rate0.00%
1. Income3. Cash Flow
Rental Income$2,600.00Total Monthly Income$2,600.00
Laundry Income$0.00Total Monthly Expenses$2,009.88
Storage Income$0.00Total Monthly Cash Flow$590.12
Misc Income$0.00
Total Income$2,600.00Total Annual Cash Flow$7,081.47
2. Expenses4. Cash on Cash Return
Mortgage$1,244.68Down Payment$75,000.00
Property Taxes$150.00Closing Costs$0.00
Home Insurance$125.00Refurb Budget$0.00
Property Management (12%)$0.00Misc Other$0.00
Vacancy (5%)$70.20
Water/Sewer$100.00
Garbage$20.00
Electric$0.00
Gas$0.00
HOA Fees$0.00
Lawn/Snow$0.00
Mortgage Insurance$0.00
Repairs$150.00Total Investment$75,000.00
Capital Expenditures$150.00Annual Cash Flow/Total Investment0.0944196
Total Monthly Expenses$2,009.88Cash on Cash Return9.442