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All Forum Posts by: Kris Mead

Kris Mead has started 9 posts and replied 79 times.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38

If anyone has any PM recommendations in the Little Rock area and doesn’t mind messaging me, I would appreciate it!


Sorry if this posts twice.  This website on mobile is terrible.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38

thank you

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Patrick Drury:

@Kris Mead
Just sell it vacant. Trying to put another tenant in there will just result in another headache. 

Absolutely.  The tenant is moving out now.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Scott Mac:

Hi Kris,

If you believe you are looking for a needle in a haystack maybe this zip is not for you.

If you believe you can find a needle in a haystack, maybe this zip is for you.

Good Luck!

Haha.  Neither of those!

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Julian Broyles:

@Kris Mead

If it makes decent cash flow I would seller finance it to someone.

It would cash flow rather nicely with a decent tenant especially since rents have gone up since purchase.  I’m getting hosed a bit on the insurance side, but that is leveling off a bit.  At this point we are just going to list it traditionally and figure out where we go from there.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Mark Cruse:

To me it sounds like you hit the perfect storm all at once. I have had my share. To me, the main problem is your incompetent PM. I assume all your other properties are in better areas. If so, of course they can handle them. Most can. In the bad areas most legitimate PMs will tell you they don't service those areas. You will have to search and search until you can find one who is competent enough to do it. I couldnt and had to manage mine from Afghanistan. Ignore people who tell you it's impossible to get good tenants in a bad area. I would never take advice from them. It takes longer, skills, ability, diligence and strategy. Its obvious your PM did a terrible job at screening and managing the situation. Another element which contributed to your storm is the bad area itself. As stated, you can get good tenants and manage them effectively but you have to know what you are doing. The other end to your storm is the tenants not reporting stuff so it could be addressed. Sorry this happend but that is how it goes sometimes. If you are out of town it may be very hard to find the right PM. Also, if you are not making wide cash flow the effort may not be worth it and you may want to cut your losses. If you do chose to roll with it, it can be very intense and time consuming. It's critical that you get a professional and competent team on the ground who gives a **** and has the ability to execute an intelligent strategy.   

I agree.  It’s partially my fault as I planned on getting down there at least once a year and then Covid happened.  Add in the constant stream of issues and it kind of burned me out slightly.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Jeremy H.:
Quote from @Kris Mead:
Quote from @Franklin Romine:

Cut your loss and move on

That’s the plan.  I was going to try and pick some brains and come up with a strategy, but it’s just easier to sell at this point.

 I'd agree - I think the area sucks and the bad tenants are just a byproduct of that. 

Unless something major is happening to revitalize the area (I don't believe there is) I don't think it's worth keeping.

On top of that, class C/D areas should cashflow WAY more - there's much more inherent risk - so you need the extra cashflow to mitigate that risk (which is doesn't sound like you're getting)

Also you have to tenant proof these areas - so my sinks and bathtubs all have grids installed where the drain is. These kinds of things prevent the tenant from putting anything down there. I do cement flooring because they can't crack a tile, scratch it etc etc. Make it as simple and stupid proof as you can


 It initially was cash flowing quite a bit but given the doubling of the insurance after the flood, my margin is lower and selling it eliminates that headache as well.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Franklin Romine:

Cut your loss and move on

That’s the plan.  I was going to try and pick some brains and come up with a strategy, but it’s just easier to sell at this point.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:

The toilet was running and they never reported it they were also having issues with the sewer drain plugging up and sometimes backing up into the tub which they were able to fix on their own most of time but obviously the issue was never resolved because it kept coming back. ---> I found this to be very strange, so you know already you have this problem but don't actively make a permanent solution ? have you tried hydrojetting before? is there clean cleanout in sewer systems ??

Anything related to sewer is a bit scary, we got to be more proactive before something happens.

The tenant never made us aware of the issue.  Either of them.  When we snaked the drain it was just a conventional plug and nothing out of the ordinary.  Why they never reported either of these two issues is beyond me.  It’s all done electronically and auto-dispatched with a plumber on 24/7 to fix the issue.

Post: Nightmare property. What would you do?

Kris MeadPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hopewell Junction, NY
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Quincy Lockett:

@Kris Mead

Just an aside. The fact that the tenants just leave rather than hunkering down and not paying until you get an eviction order of possession is a BLESSING in a D class location. It could have been a lot worse. Trust me!


 You aren’t kidding!  The most recent tenants have really good jobs and were at their previous address for I think 9 years.  A neighbor mentioned that he saw a moving truck a few months back and we haven’t made contact with the husband in a while so I think he split and she is just in a bad spot.