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All Forum Posts by: Kirby Davis

Kirby Davis has started 15 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: New Member with New Cash Flow Strategy!

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62

@Taylor Scott Siemens @Zack Karp - could you guys elaborate a little more on this? And is this only on available residential/primary residence? 

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62
Originally posted by @Ernes Sahic:

Hey everyone. I am working towards buying my 1st investment property. I've been using the rental calculator and I have this deal in the works. Wanting to get some opinions from more experienced investors and see if this is a good 1st deal to get my addiction started. Take a look at my report and lmk what you guys think. 

The numbers seem a little tight with low rates on vacancy/repairs/capex. I'd say make sure your rent expectation is accurate, and these numbers are realistic (is everything new, roof is newer, a/c newer, all big ticket items). If these are all accurate, the cashflow could be right. Agreed with the previous post that CoC isn't great, but that's probably my main focus and where i get held up a lot in all honesty.

Post: $800k Cash - Strategy Advice - PLEASE HELP

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62
Originally posted by @Mike Roy:

@Kirby Davis - Based on the tremendous value you added to the farm in a very short period of time, would you consider buying more farmland and building more farms?  Maybe lease the finished product to other farmers so your husband doesn't have to manage day-to-day operations?  You obviously have a special skill set and valuable expertise, and I would consider running with that as far as it can take you.     

Multifamily is an entirely different game, and an over-valued, over-saturated one at that.  It's a tough time in the cycle for a newcomer, and $800k would be a lot of money to put into your first deal.  Just know that you're on a site dominated by multifamily investors, so there's going to be a bias there.  The biggest factor in determining the best use of this money is YOU - your knowledge, your network and your unfair advantage.    

Your profile indicates that you bought a $2.9MM farm with $50k down with an annual cash on cash of 200%.  I think we'd all like to hear how you did that!  If you could pull this off a few more times, you could afford to replace your husband with hired help and would have more cash flow than you'd ever need.

Yes, we obtained a contract with a large food producer, built a farm to their specs, and performed well within our contract. Because of the strength of the contract, our credit, and the loan options available, we only had to put $50k into the deal. Our cashflow after expenses is a little over $100k, and the tax benefits are tremendous, as the impact on my W2 income is great. Realistically, we could have replaced my husband with hired help, but we had a retired family member on the farm, and it proved to be too much for him. So, due to family obligations we just made it work for the last year (meaning my husband has been tied to the farm). 

We actually would like to do this a few more times with hired help versus our labor, but the market for this is cyclical much like real estate. At the moment, you can't get the contract we would need to do this again. We are definitely keeping our name out there with the company as wanting to build another farm when they have capacity open up. 

Post: $800k Cash - Strategy Advice - PLEASE HELP

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62
Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

Investing in real estate is far from passive, you are not going to escape have to put in many long hours although the work is obviously far less physical than farming it can be high stress. Do not think of real estate investing as being passive, it is not and it is definatly not for everyone. If you want passive you will need to invest in a REIT, income fund or something similar. You should be able to average about 10% long term.

I would suggest if you do not have a financial advisor you should get one and have them advise you on where the best place is to put your money based on your present lifestyle and future plans.  

 Thanks for the advice! When I say passive - it means more flexibility. More like the mgmt role than the on-the-line worker if that makes sense. 

Post: $800k Cash - Strategy Advice - PLEASE HELP

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62
Originally posted by @William Jenkins:

Agree with @Jay Hinrichs on looking at the tax implications on the net $800k.  That is going to dictate how necessary a 1031 really is in terms of preserving capital.   

My suggestion.... If a 1031 is not necessary then I would suggest slowly (seek deals) dispersing it across properties and asset classes.  There is no need to max lever up and go into a large overpriced multi....  Buy some smaller properties (smaller multi, 4-families, or commercial), pick up some REITs, buy some equities, etc.  If the 800k is the bulk of your net worth, I would not suggest going "all in" on one property especially if you are not experienced in that asset class.

If a 1031 is necessary then I would start seeking out those properties now.  I would avoid getting highly levered in this market.  

General notes and my opinion on a 1031.... Its is always great to save on taxes, but you need to balance that tax deferment with you ability to patiently seek out quality deals.  I have seen many people foam at the mouth to get into overpriced 1031 to save a little bit on taxes.  Que the 1031 guys to start hating on me for that comment.      

 We will still seek out opportunities that make sense. I've also noticed the rush to get into the next property fueling an over-priced purchase. I'm not interested in that. The purpose is incremental growth, and buying the wrong thing is worse than taking the tax hit. 

Post: $800k Cash - Strategy Advice - PLEASE HELP

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62
Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

@Jay Hinrichs, I'm pretty sure @Kirby Davis just called you old :)- Originally posted by @Kirby Davis: @Jay Hinrichs Thank you! Definitely the kind of advice I’m looking for from someone with such great knowledge and experience.

Good advice Jay, your place on the timeline of life is of utmost importance in any strategy.

Forget the leverage and Ramsey crowds.  Where's the line for the party crowd?!!

 Haha! I definitely did not call him old... just accomplished. :) 

Please sign me up for the party crowd. Enjoying life more is what all this hard work has been for. I'd like to let up on the gas pedal for a little while. Still moving, just learning how to keep everything moving forward while leveraging investing and delegation versus the DIY version of EVERYTHING. Those recitals and games are flying by, and my kids are growing faster than I can fathom. I'd like to see some of it. ;) 

Post: CPA Recommendation - Business Evaluation / Valuation

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62

@Basit Siddiqi The cash basis financial provided are not, but the tax returns provided for 2016 and 2017 are.

@Nicholas Aiola - Do you know of an online CPA that could perform an early business valuation review to determine a good offer price on an existing business? It doesn't look like your group offers this service, but I thought you may know of someone. Reviewing an existing business that includes real estate in the purchase. Thanks! 

Post: CPA Recommendation - Business Evaluation / Valuation

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62

Looking for a CPA with strong business evaluation / valuation skills. Currently looking at new investment opportunities and would like to have a CPA review the financials provided, conduct an evaluation (poke holes in anything they see that may be misrepresented) and provide a valuation on what they believe the business is worth. I currently have an existing business opportunity that includes real estate purchase with the business. I will also have additional opportunities to vet out over the next 60 days. If you have any recommendations on who can produce a strong review with a quick turnaround, I'd greatly appreciate the advice. 

Post: $800k Cash - Strategy Advice - PLEASE HELP

Kirby DavisPosted
  • Fayetteville, AR
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 62

@Steve K. Thank you!