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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Owens

Kevin Owens has started 3 posts and replied 27 times.

@Joe Splitrock

Q: You mentioned the example I have at 4% cap would be 60% LTV because it is DSCR constrained. I assume that means you need to see 1.25 DSCR so that increases required equity, hence the 60% LTV. Is there some rule of thumb on what you need to see for a cap rate to stay abover 1.25 and 80% LTV?

A: There isn't necessarily a pre determined cap rate to stay above a 1.25, the cost of debt is the variable. Most deals historically that I've seen that trade above a 1.25x and 80% underwrite at a 5.5% cap and higher. There are so many other factors that determine 1.25x and 80% thresholds such as interest only periods, refinance tests, borrower experience, etc...Please do not use the 5.5% as a hard rule. Each deal is different and needs to property underwritten. 

Q: You stated a 60% LTV can open you to waiving many things, can you expand a little on that comment?

A: If the deal is large enough you reduce carve outs, go full-term interest only, etc....

Q: Can you explain a little more on the HELOC? My understanding is if a HELOC is already open, say for $300,000 but with $0 balance, that appears as $300,000 worth of debt regardless of balance. Theoretically I could take the money out the day after closing. What if the cash was "seasoned" for 3 months in your bank account, meaning if you check my last two months bank statements you would see the $300,000 worth of cash. Or are you saying it would look better to not have the case, but have available HELOC. Sorry if this sounds confusing, just trying to understand what makes me look stronger.

A: The right answer is, it depends. At times, we need 12 months of cash statements, other times we just need a NW and LIQ statement within the last 30 days. Remember, there is not upfront for us to quote a loan. We can go through the motions and see where things shakeout once a deal is heading into hard territory. 

@Jesse S.

I would refrain from using the word "hack" with any lender. I personally do not mind, but try to keep the strategy as traditional as possible for presentation purposes. There are no incentives for first time home buyers under the institutional lending arms. You need to think bigger. The lending space we are discussing covers loans from $1MM to portfolio transacting over $1BN. I am originally from Montgomery County, MD and is where I spend most of time despite my office in AZ. Check out Suitland and Greenbelt for lower price points. At $1.25 MM, we would need to get to 80% LTV for the $1MM mark. If your debt level dips below $1MM, we can still move forward but there are impacts to the deal structure. NW would need to be $1MM and you would need 9 months of debt service in cash plus escrows (much higher with COVID-19). These are non-recourse loans under programs that permit a borrower to easily scale because contingent liabilities drop off your balance sheet because of the non-recourse element. In theory, you could be worth $5MM and leverage a $10MM deal sourcing equity. When this model is duplicated. $5MM in cash outside of equity can prop up multiple $10MM deals over and over again.

Post: Multi family Question

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

@Savion Miller

 I do a lot of agency. Step down prepay is typically 5544332211 for a 10-year term. Meaning each year exit is that percent to exit the loan, 5% year 1, 5% year 2, 4% year 3, etc....to really understand step down you must understand yield maintenance and standard defeasance prepay,  because this is what you are comparing it to. Go to Chatham Financial's website to read up on yield maintenance (YM) and stand defeasance (STD DEF). These prepay payment methods are linked to government bond that match your term. Essentially, youhave a prepay and it declines as your term passes but it is also linked to bond prices. Let's say you have a 5% note and rates drop to 4%, your prepay will become more expense, if rates increase above 5%, your prepay cheapens. The difference between YM and STD DEF have to do with the mechanics of swapping out the promised interest. Fannie typically does YM on SBL and conventional lending, Freddie does YM on SBL and STD DEF on conventional and both typically do a 1 year lock out with a 1% prepay on floating rate debt. My explanation barely scratches the surface but the broad strokes should get you there.

If you like, we have a call about this to walk you through it all. Your choice depends on your strategy, equity appetite, hold period, risk tolerance, proceeds level and which program you are utilizing (Fannie or Freddie). These prepays also price differently, step down is more expensive on the spread than YM, for example. 

Post: Real estate dealings

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

In my opinion, it's banks that are limited to a regional foot-print. There are many advantages to what I refer to as "the regionals". The will likely know your local market, provide reasonable terms (in most cases). However, it's going to be a full recourse loan. You may also want to explore local credit unions. We have found credit unions (if they like the deal) may have kinder terms than regionals. Another option depending on asset type (multifamily), is going agency. There are lenders tied to the CMBS/CLO market in the smaller balance space but my experience suggests that most loans under $5MM are picked up by regional banks, credit unions and agency.

Post: Multi family investing in sussex County NJ

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

Let's talk, I can get you list of managers for properties that are large enough. How many units?

@Cory Carlson

Q: I would like to know of any major single family and small multifamily (2-4 units) investment financing options have changed.

A: Hi Cory, thank you for your questions. I cannot speak to single family or small multifamily products. I may sound like we are splitting hairs but it’s an important distinction to make, single family and small multifamily fall under the single family umbrellas within the agencies (we’ll call them multi unit versus multi family). These questions should be geared to a bank. My expertise is on the institutional side, loans starting at $1M with a 5-unit minimum. Most of what I work on is in the $20 to $25MM space with portfolios nearing $1BN. If anyone can chime to help Cory, it would be appreciated. The infrastructure behind institutional multifamily lending is different than what falls under the single family space. For example, most banks cannot transact directly with Fannie and Freddie on the multifamily products (think $1MM and up), they most go through a licensed firm (there are approximately 12, Berkadia is one of them and the number one lender of multifamily agency financing).

Q: Are there higher reserve requirements? Lower LTV requirements? What about owner occupied plex stuff?

A: Again, this answer is specific to $1MM and up for Fannie/Freddie business and the multiple product lines. We will address Small Balance Lending ($1MM to $5MM/$7.5MM in top markets) and Conventional ($5MM/$7.5MM plus). There needs to be distinctions made between reserves, which we will refer to as escrows in this body.

The below are broad strokes and there are differences between SBL and Conventional. The below is not all encompassing and as mentioned, a general guide to required escrows. There are many fine pointed details that must be addressed. If you are seeking acquisition or refinance financing, I suggest working a with a directly licensed banker to iron out all the details.

Replacement Reserves: Typically calculated by the unit in increments of $250/$300/$350, etc…). Pre-covid: Not funded upfront, Post-covid: Fannie may require, Freddie will not.

Immediate Repairs as defined by a PCA: Fannie and Freddie have always required these to be funded upfront. There are exceptions.

Taxes and Insurance: Pre-covid: Not funded upfront but built into your debt service for next year’s balloon payment, Post-covid: Fannie may require, Freddie will not.

Debt Service: Pre-covid: Not funded upfront, Post-covid: 6 to 12 months funded upfront and released once certain thresholds are hit (exceptions for student).

Some markets have been ratcheted down a tier from say 80% LTV to 75% LTV max in response to COVID.

Q: My principle broker is also a commercial mortgage broker and mentioned commercial options will roll out with a very conservative approach for apartment loans. Lower LTV's and he can't even do his refi's!

A: A large percentage of business with Fannie/Freddie in recent weeks are refinances. Escrows do apply and there is a watchful eye on values. This also includes supplemental financing (different from a refinance but similar in concept). Refinances are very much in play if the borrower understands the escrows and we can get a sign-off on values and feel confident about collections.

@ John Blanton

Thank you for your questions.

Q: Thanks @Kevin Owens , you eluded to it in your post, but have there been any changes to net worth or liquidity requirements for non-recourse debt?

A: No changes to NW and LIQ. However, cash reserves in excess of requirements are viewed favorably.

Q: As for required escrow reserves, is there much variance in regards to them being released? Or just 3-6 months of performance by the property post close.

A: It depends on lender (Fannie or Freddie), it can be as long as 36 months (technically) and as short as two stable consecutive quarters. These are updates in the COVID environment. Historically, escrows for immediate repairs are released upon completion. Ongoing replacement reserves can be drawn down based on the type of repair being completed. There has rarely been any escrow release for 3 to 6 months based on time frame alone.

@ Joe Splitock

@Kevin Owens I have a couple questions based on a this scenario. Lets say you are looking at a 30 unit apartment building that costs $2M and has 4% CAP rate.

Q: What minimum percent down payment is required?

A: When venturing into the institutional side of lending, we'll refer to this as equity rather than down. Most won't like my answer because, the answer is "it depends". On the example you gave, the deal would go under the Small Balance Program and will primarily be driven by market tier and max LTVs will range between 70% to 80% depending on how the deal is underwritten and again, what market you're in. For example, Houston once tapped out at 80% and has now been dialed back to 75%. In the example you gave, assuming the income and expenses that lead to a 4% cap are agency approved, you'd be looking at a ~60% LTV (the deal is DSCR constrained). A 60% LTV can open you up to waiving many things on the deal but is offset by a 1.25 DSCR.

Q: Can a down payment come from a HELOC?

A: It could but this will be viewed as a contingent liability and may reduce financial standing. In theory, you are taking value from your home and putting it into your cash account. Fannie and Freddie would rather have a borrower well heeled in the cash category and short on total net worth (5 to 10% short), rather than short on cash and a high net worth. This is especially the case for first time borrowers or first-time apartment owners. There are exceptions. The best thing to do is call a directly licensed banker.

Q: What net worth or other factors are you looking for in an investor?

A: The job of directly licensed banker is to advocate for the borrower and the property, align borrower expectations with credit policy and push on rate, escrows and shepherd after closing items to the finish line. Additionally, most quality bankers will play a large role in wealth management making suggestions in helping manage assets for the next deal or give finance guidance to minimize costs.

Q: Other factors other than NW and LIQ include…

A: Management experience, sponsor location and asset location (contrary to popular belief the location of a banker has no impact on the deal, it’s the banker’s experience and firm’s relationship with agencies that have the most impact). Fannie/Freddie want to see experience in the field, a reasonable budget (we can help with that) and no red flag issues (bankruptcies, history of willful neglect, lawsuits centered around mismanagement of funds, etc.. a slip and fall suit is deemed as general business risk and not held against you).

Q: What information do you need on the property?

A: Provide a trailing 12-month income and expense statement, a proposed value or LOI and a rent roll from the last 30 days. In most cases, I will not ask for a NW and LIQ statement, I'll take your word for it and make the requirements clear. If you're short of requirements, tell your banker. You can have multiple guarantors on a deal.

Q: What type of interest rate and term is available (ballpark)?

A: It depends, there are many factors, rates can range from 2.90% to close to 5%. We closed on a 2.96% deal last week and I had an SBL deal close at 3.62%. Small Balance Loans will have a higher rate than their conventional counterparts. Leverage points, interest only and prep-pay play large roles in determining the rate.

Q: How much time do people usually allow for closing after an offer is made?

A: Schedule 60 days, most will close 45 to 50 days.

Q: When you meet with a banker, what type of information do they want to see?

It depends on the banker and their experience. I usually have a 30-minute call to discuss docs, process and statements. I then request an REO schedule, NW and LIQ confirmation, T12, RR, management plan, flood zone information. I'll typically pull the tax bill and an OM if one is available. Most of the resources I have cover all transactions across the country and I can easily pull data. Bankers that transact heavily on agency can underwrite a deal a short time and see if there is a clear path forward. Upon confirming that, the deal will then be submitted.

Ask any question regarding multifamily lending with Fannie and Freddie. Topics may include proper expense guidance, COVID-19 escrows and their releases, net worth and liquidity requirements or non-recourse elements. I’m here to provide as much information as possible.

Post: Multifamily Freddie and Fannie Financing

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

This is a unit range that can be financed utilizing the small balance loan program, assuming the loan amount is greater than $1MM. The asset must be underwritten to agency standards but there are levers that can be pulled to lower expenses and boost NOI to stretch proceeds. I understand that not all borrowers are proceeds driven, some are focused on low leverage, full-term IO or merely shortened hold periods and prepay. Your geographical location will not be a driving factor if you can source local third party management. Knoxville is a market where 80% LTV is possible. However, Chattanooga will max out at 75%. Within each respective SBL program (Fannie or Freddie), markets are tiered. The spirit of the program is to streamline underwriting. Fact is, while a $2.5MM loan is large for some borrowers, it is pennies compared to the volume that Fannie/Freddie put out and they must streamline loan elements to execute on the loan. The conventional space ($5MM/$7.5MM) and up functions differently in some cases. Naturally, this is all non-recourse. We would have review your T12 and RR to see how the deals pencil. But assuming many facts, there is a potential here. Rates in general are well inside of 4%, if pursuing common prepays and vanilla org structures.

Post: Multifamily Freddie and Fannie Financing

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Hi BP Community, As you head into the New Year and your deal sizes increase you may have questions regarding Freddie/Fannie multi financing. I am here to answer any and all questions. I'm an open book!

Post: Cap Rates - 36 unit Levittown PA

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

I'm seeing high 5's and low 6's on comp data, primarily driven by agency closings. We should talk, I'll forward you some comp data. 

Post: Loans for $1million...How?

Kevin OwensPosted
  • Lender
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

The agencies will technically lend less than $1MM through their SBL under the multifamily programs. However it is rare and they are shying away from this. If it's something you would like to learn more about, please connect with me and we can discuss how the programs work, non-recourse elements, net worth and liquidity, etc...