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All Forum Posts by: Ken C.

Ken C. has started 4 posts and replied 10 times.

Thanks for the information.

I am looking for someone who can share their experience in finding tenants for units in a light industrial building. Each unit is approximately 1800 to 2100 sq ft. How do you vet a business tenant vs a residential tenant? These units typically appeal to owner-operator type businesses - machine shops, home remodeling, etc., so were are typically renting to an individual, not a "business".

Do you request a credit and background check of the potential lessee for light industrial rentals? It seems like stating in the  "property for rent" ad that the checks will be done could be be useful. Those that have something in their background that would turn up in a background or credit check, would not bother inquiring about renting the space, saving the property owner the trouble of screening a potential problem tenant.

It's 2150 sq ft (50ft x 43ft), bathroom with shower. Interior has a walled and lockable 14'x12' office, large overhead door.

Main driver of this proposal wants to continue using the space, and feels somewhat entitled due to them having performed some infrequent light building maintenance and lawn mowing over the years. They sometimes overlook the free use of the space with no utility charges for at least the past 5 years when calculating their justification.

My self-employed parents own the building, it is the source of their retirement income. Their 3 kids and spouses have pitched in to help them maintain the property. It is one of those spouses who wants to lease the space with help from one or two other people. None of the potential tenants would pass Jennifer's test. It would have to be an arrangement as James has done.

I asked this in another forum (in an admittedly long and rambling post), and did not get an answer to this specific question. The space in question is one of 5 units in a light industrial building. Three people want to share the unit. Is this one lease that all three of them sign, or three leases, one for each of them.

If one of the three does not pay, then what? How does one manage a shared rental? Making this a little more messy, is that the person asking setting up this arrangement is a family member who has been able to use the space rent-free for several years. Now the space is being readied for rent, and they would like to continue using the space. They cannot afford the rent on their own, so they are looking at sharing the space.

Any advice on this? 

Post: Renting to Family - Advice Wanted

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

I did some research, and I cannot say for certain that the building will belong to inheritors and spouses. I just assumed that is the way it works. Apparently not so. Property can be inherited by just one spouse. It depends on the directive in the will, and I do not have a copy of it.

If we do end up renting to the three individuals, is that one lease for all three? Or does each person sign their own lease?

Post: Renting to Family - Advice Wanted

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
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Once my mother passes, my sisters and I would inherit the property. Being married to one of the inheritors would mean that he is now a partner in the property, and I suppose no longer a tenant. What then if he still wants to use the unit? 

Post: Renting to Family - Advice Wanted

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

If we implement his plan, the one unit will have three tenants:

1. Brother-in-law

2. Brother-in-law's son

3, Brother-in law's friend

To get it in writing as you advised, is that three leases, one for each person?


The plan is to completely empty the unit

Post: Renting to Family - Advice Wanted

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

The property is a 5 unit light industrial building. It was built by my father who was self employed as retirement income for him and my mother, who was a stay-at-home mother and also assisted him in his business. One of the units was my father's. That is where he had his office and warehoused his equipment. He passed away in 2016, and at least 5 years priior to that, was incapacitated by illness. 

When he became incapacitated and could no longer visit his unit, approximately 7 years ago, another family member, who had assisted him in maintaining the building, began utilizing the space for storage, vehicle repairs etc. This had been permitted, no one asked him to stop because the unit was in limbo due to my mother not wanting to clear out my father's equipment.  Once my father passed away, my mother said it was time to empty the building. We are getting close to having it ready to rent. The unit has a rental value of $700 to $800 per month.

The family member who has utilized the unit, now would like to become the paying tenant. He would need help, splitting the rent with his son. The family member also has a friend who would use a portion of the building, so three individuals would be paying the rent. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or guidance on his to manage a rental situation like this? I am not a property investor, but have friends who are, and they have told me stories of ruptures within their families because of inter-family rentals gone wrong.

Adding to the mix is the fact that my mother, the owner of the property, is elderly and in poor health. A year ago her physician estimated 3 to 5 years life expectancy. The property will then be owned by me and my two siblings, one of whom is married to the gentleman who wants to rent the building. He basically has had use of the property for the past seven years with no rent obligations. He has also performed maintenance on the property without requesting or receiving  compensation. I think he has finally come to the realization, that the property is income for my mother, and he will need to either become the tenant or vacate the space. Not sure of how my mother's eventual passing, will change that, but I anticipate that he might feel that her passing eliminates the need to generate income from that unit, and he can resume a rent free status. At that point, any collected rent will be then be going to me and. my two sisters, so why would he in essence, pay rent to himself?

I do not mind if he wants to use the space. One sister would rather have a non-family member single tenant in the space, and my second sister, the potential renter's spouse, was not too enthusiastic about the idea. As I said, I can see where this might be a situation where if the property is not sold when my mother passes, the family tenant may feel he no longer needs to pay for the space because his spouse is now one of the owners' and that would be in essence, writing a check to himself.

Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on how to best proceed? My goal would be to avoid the family issues my two friends experienced when they rented to family members.

Post: Flat Roof Queston

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
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Thanks for the response. Only 2 quotes so far. One roofer quoted the EPDM rubber roof; the other roofer wants to install a SBS Multi Ply System roof. I do not know what is on the roof now.

Also, I misstated the cost of recovering the entire roof. The building was erected in stages. A 50'x75' section; then later a 50'x125' section was added. The quotes I mentioned in my first post are only for the older, 50'x75' section of the roof. The roofer who quoted the SBS Multi Ply System would do the 50'x125' section for an additional $14,200.

Post: Flat Roof Queston

Ken C.Posted
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 0

Here is a question about roof replacement on a 50' x 200' light industrial building (owned outright), and hopefully this is the correct forum for this question. The building has a 20 or 25 year-old flat roof that needs to be replaced. The building is in northern Ohio. So far, there are two quotes:

.060 Reinforced EPDM for $10,500
SBS Multi Ply System for $8,750

Can someone with flat roof experience offer some guidance about the options the two quotes offer, and what should be taken into consideration when replacing flat roofs? Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.