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All Forum Posts by: Keith W.

Keith W. has started 31 posts and replied 104 times.

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

Ok. She’s going to run my argument through underwriting. I’ll see what they say. 

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Keith W.:
Originally posted by @Kevin Romines:

If it is a single member LLC, then all profits and losses will flow through on to your personal return. However if it is a multi-member LLC and the LLC files its own tax return, and if the loan made on the property was commercial and did not require any kind of personal guarantee, then the loan and property are considered commercial and as such, should not show on the loan app.

However if any income from that LLC hits your personal return, then most likely the lender will want at least a copy of the LLC's tax return. They may not need all the specific details on the home, just the LLC tax return.

I do a lot of loans for investors, this is my experience with underwriting on these scenarios. 

I hope this helps. 

Thanks Kevin. This investment property in question is my first project and we haven't even filed taxes on it yet. There's nothing in my personal tax returns. According to what you're saying and what I believe, it is a commercial property and shouldn't be an issue. The reason why they even know about it is because the account for the LLC is held with them. I recently did a lower rate refinance on my primary and the other property wasn't even mentioned. Of course this was with a different bank. If they continue down this path, I'll just try a different bank.

 That is why they are asking for all this information, because you have not filed taxes on the property, so there is no financial record. They want to make sure the rental isn't a financial drain that is loosing money. Odds are good you need to disclose this property in your application to any bank. You are certifying on your application that the information is all truthful, so omission is considered lying. It doesn't sound like it is a problem, but they need to verify that for themselves.

My lender requests a ridiculous amount of information from me. Every bank statement, every investment account, etc. I sent a five page bank statement and I left off page 5, because it was blank. They called and said that I had to include the blank page, because the last page said 4 of 5. As if some horrible information would be on the last page. Ultimately they explained it is just process to make sure they get complete information. They have a checklist and they need to do everything on the list. That way they are not changing processes depending on who is applying. 

I wouldn't assume them asking for the information will result in anything negative. They are just bean counters filling out a checklist. Give them what they want and odds are good it turns out fine. Good luck.

My issue is that the property is still under construction and not a rental property. 

My insurance agent says because it's a commercial property not in my name, they need special permission to release information. It just seems like a whole lot of hassle to get a HELOC on a personal property that has nothing to do with the property in the LLC.

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Kevin Romines:

If it is a single member LLC, then all profits and losses will flow through on to your personal return. However if it is a multi-member LLC and the LLC files its own tax return, and if the loan made on the property was commercial and did not require any kind of personal guarantee, then the loan and property are considered commercial and as such, should not show on the loan app.

However if any income from that LLC hits your personal return, then most likely the lender will want at least a copy of the LLC's tax return. They may not need all the specific details on the home, just the LLC tax return.

I do a lot of loans for investors, this is my experience with underwriting on these scenarios. 

I hope this helps. 

Thanks Kevin. This investment property in question is my first project and we haven't even filed taxes on it yet. There's nothing in my personal tax returns. According to what you're saying and what I believe, it is a commercial property and shouldn't be an issue. The reason why they even know about it is because the account for the LLC is held with them. I recently did a lower rate refinance on my primary and the other property wasn't even mentioned. Of course this was with a different bank. If they continue down this path, I'll just try a different bank.

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @George Mastrosavas:

Find a different lender or a local Credit Union. Hope this helps!


Thanks George. I was going with this bank because they were a small local bank. The only reason why they even know of the other property is because the LLC account is held with them.

If we can’t get passed this hurdle, I will go with another bank. 

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

To me it’s none of their business right? Did you end up providing the info? @Nicole Heasley

Post: Problem using HELOC to purchase Real Estate

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

I have about $80K equity available in my primary residence. I also have an investment property that was purchased and held in an LLC.

The bank is requesting all kinds of documentation on the investment property including insurance docs, private loan docs, year-end statements, etc. ) 

I don't feel like this is necessary since the loan is against my primary residence and not the investment property. The investment property is not on my personal credit nor is it held in my personal name. 

Can anyone advise as to whether is normal procedure? 

Post: Wholesaling to Myself Question

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

A seasoned real estate investor mentioned this strategy he has used from time to time but didn't go into detail on how it works. Basically, he wholesaled a property from his homebuying LLC to his home development LLC. I'm trying to figure out the benefit of this and came up with a theory. I wanted to put it out there to see if it makes sense, doable, and legal. My overall objective is to purchase the property with a min $1000 out of pocket. Not including closing costs.

Let's say my homebuying LLC puts a property under contract to buy for $100K

I want to wholesale that contract to my home development LLC for $125K

My home development LLC approaches my HML for a loan of $100K as I know they will require a 20% downpayment which equals $25,000

In essence, that $25k is going to me so it's a wash and the seller will receive the $100,000 asking price. 

  • Does this make sense?
  • Would the closing attorney or lender take issue with me essentially selling to myself, therefore no real money exchange?
  • Is it all legal?

Post: Reserves Required for BRRR Strategy

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

Ok, that’s great to hear. I wasn’t as concerned about the 6 months ownership as I am about the 6 months in reserves. In your situation, working with the commercial loan, is this a requirement?



Post: Reserves Required for BRRR Strategy

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

I've been researching the BRRR Strategy for about year now, in the meantime, I'm in the process of flipping a single family.

In all my research, a video I watched today was the first to mention that you will be required to have 6 months of mortgage payments as reserves in your bank account. The money has to be seasoned, in other words, recent large deposits are not allowed. 

Where I live, a typical 3 family could easily mortgage at $2500. So that’s $15,000 sitting in the bank. 

Can anyone confirm if this is the case? As a first time BRRR'er not knowing this before hand could be a huge obstacle and I've never heard of it before. If this is the case, then I think it should be more transparent.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Keith W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Massachusetts
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 11

View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

For this scenario, I'm looking to bring in 2 or 3 private money investors to cover the downpayment and closing costs for this property. 

I would be working with a lender to cover the balance of the purchase price and rehab costs. 

I will be paying 12% interest to both the private investors and the lender. 

The lender charges 2.5 points and require to pay interest only payments during the course of the rehab. 

In the section marked "Other Fees by Lender", I inputted $5K to account for the total amount of interest I should be paying the private investors over the course of 6 months. 

According to the calculator, the interest payment is just over $3K / month.

Does this plan seem feasible where at the end of the project and refinance, I walk away with no money in the deal and cash flowing property?