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All Forum Posts by: Keith Linne

Keith Linne has started 5 posts and replied 70 times.

Post: Is this a good deal?

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Amy Kircher - Are you willing to share the exact city? If not, I understand.

I have a mix of 9 units in Duluth, mainly rented to college students. Regardless of market, here is what I would point out:

- I’ve found $100-200/month works out to be the average maintenance/random work order requirement per unit.

- CapEx (especially considering 100+ years old) feels very light, based on your total of $300 including maintenance. This is a tricky figure, because a true bulletproof CapEx figure prices you out of 99% of rentals (in my opinion). That being said, too many investors ignore cash-on-cash returns and total ROI. If you aren't beating the historic average return of the S&P, why take on the additional headaches associated with rental property? If CapEx isn't figured well, one furnace, roof, etc can wipe out years of cash flow.

- Although you’re fine managing, there will likely come a time when you do not want to (or cannot) continue to manage personally. As such, always run numbers with management costs incorporated. That way, you can hire management if needed, or at a minimum pay yourself for the work.

- Ratio utility billing is a new allowable approach, where you’re able to bill back all utilities to tenants. I do this with all my rentals, as ratio billing increases our bottom line, while also giving tenants a heads up of what their monthly utility costs will be (this is disclosed during the leasing process). 


Without knowing the exact market/location, it isn't possible to give feedback on whether rents are in-line, which is your biggest area for potential income gain. I try to hit $400-500/door in cash flow, after allowing roughly the same for maintenance and CapEx on a monthly basis, though I'm getting much more strict on CapEx moving forward. More specifically, I want 15% COC return, and 20%+ total ROI, or I'll just throw the money in the stock market (index funds, etc).

Hopefully this feedback is helpful!

Post: Moving to Duluth MN and getting started in REI!

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Brittany Kuschel - will do!

Post: Moving to Duluth MN and getting started in REI!

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Joe Schmitt - Just sent you a PM. Thanks!

Post: Moving to Duluth MN and getting started in REI!

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@John Woodrich - Thanks for the mention!

@Sam Clark - I have a couple of properties I'm looking at selling in Duluth (purchased as part of a package, and need to free up some capital). Let me know if you're interested in any specifics!

Post: Carpenter Recommendations Minnesota

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Josh Cook - I have a handyman I can recommend. Will send you a direct message!

Post: South Minneapolis Real Estate Investing Meetup

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

I'm currently working on building a portfolio in Duluth, MN (where I grew up) and work full-time in the Twin Cities as a General Contractor. Planning to be at this event, and look forward to connecting with everyone!

Post: Twin Cities East Metro Real Estate Investing Meet-up

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Matt J. @Mark Trebor I invest in Duluth as well (grew up there, but now live in Minnetonka and work full-time as a General Contractor in the Twin Cities). I have this event on my calendar, and I'm looking forward to connecting with everyone!

Post: Apartment Building Deal Analysis

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Kevin Dean - I really appreciate your input!

(1) The DSCR calculated in my "after" scenario accounts for a 25 year amortized loan, so should be good there. Definitely agree it's best to under-write with an amortization assumption instead of hoping for interest only, and in this case, sitting at 1.46 DSCR after value-add feels comfortable for potential rent hike or vacancy issues.

(2/3) Great thoughts on the rent growth and expense inflation projections. This is definitely the area of my analysis process I'm looking to improve most (future assumptions/projections).

(4) Definitely planning to set aside for reserves, etc. This property was built in 1965, so not crazy old, but definitely will need updating along the way.

(5) Really like the idea of a specific "interest rate reserve" for any potential major cash flow issues.

Thanks again for taking the time to analyze everything!

Post: Apartment Building Deal Analysis

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

We have an off-market 18 unit apartment building under contract, with a mix of units (1 studio, (6) 1BR and (11) 2BR units).

I own 10 units in the area; however, they are a mix of 1-3 unit buildings. I'm much more experienced with 1-4 unit deals, and as such, I'm hoping to have a few additional sets of experienced eyes take a look at these figures and provide feedback. 

Purchase Price: $1,410,000

Financing: $1,125,000 assumed CD @ 5% interest only, 4 years remaining on term ($285,000 down payment @ 8% interest only, to match CD term of 4 years - privately raised)

Income: $164,016 

Monthly income breaks down as follows: 11 2-bedroom units @ $795 each, 6 1-bedroom units @ $695 each, 1 studio @ $541 each, 12 garage stalls @ $50 each, ~$200/mth laundry income

Vacancy (5%): $8,201

Gross Income (after vacancy): $155,815

Taxes: $18,000

Insurance: $7,000

Maintenance/Repairs (3.65%): $6,000

Utilities: $17,000

Property Management: $18,144 (1/3 first month's rent for each unit + 8.75% management fee)

Total Expenses: $66,144

Net Income: $89,671

Debt Service: $79,450 (this accounts for 5% interest only CD/8% interest only down payment)

Total Cash Flow before Value-Add: $10,221

DSCR: 1.13

Purchase Cap Rate: 6.4%

All units are currently under-rented, and they should only require very light cosmetic work to turn. Vacancy rates for market are 3% (running everything at 5% regardless). Projected figures:

Income: $201,300

Raise rates as follows: 11 2-bedroom units @ $1,000 each, 6 1-bedroom units @ $725 each, 1 studio @ $625 each, 12 garage stalls @ $50 each, ~$200/mth laundry income

Vacancy (5%): $8,201

Gross Income (after vacancy): $155,815

Taxes: $26,000 (increase due to updated sale records with county)

Insurance: $7,000 (used this placeholder in "existing" even though it's based on projected value)

Maintenance/Repairs (3.65%): $6,000

Utilities: $2,400 ($2,400 - will move all tenants to ratio utility billing, which will be acceptable based on market, cover common electric only)

Property Management: $22,269 (1/3 first month's rent for each unit + 8.75% management fee)

Total Expenses: $64,055

Net Income: $127,180

Debt Service: $86,981 (after refinance into commercial loan of $1,125,000 - 15 year maturity, 5 year lock, 25 year am, 6% interest)

Total Cash Flow after Value-Add: $40,199

DSCR: 1.46

ARV based on market cap (7.5%): $1,695,000 (value add of $286,000)

This type of building does not come up often in my market, so I'd love to make it work; however, I also want to be certain I'm not emotionally invested or overly optimistic. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Post: Contractor requesting 50% Upfront

Keith LinnePosted
  • Investor
  • Minnetonka, MN
  • Posts 70
  • Votes 100

@Alex Varner

A long-winded answer, but my thoughts on the topic!

I work full-time as a general contractor in Minnesota (Minneapolis/St Paul market), and a very rough summary of the construction field can be summed up as follows:

"Time, Quality, Price...Pick Two."

(1) High quality, short time frame...high(er) cost.

(2) Low cost, short time frame...low quality.

(3) High quality, low cost...longer time frame.

In my opinion, the best contractors in the marketplace only offer option (1). We provide the highest quality craftsmanship and end product, while coming in on time and on budget. If a contractor is willing to be paid less to take longer to complete a job, that should be a huge red flag (time is money).

I completely understand the bias against general contractors - a big reason I decided to pursue this line of work full-time is because there are so many poorly run companies out there (my wife and I actually had a referred GC disappear 1/2 way through the full renovation of our first home - before I was licensed - and I was left to manage the project through to the end).

That being said, there is also a newer phenomenon I refer to as the "HGTV effect". Reality TV shows related to renovation make things look like they take way less time (and cost way less money) than they actually do. In addition, most shows don't share the market in which the work is taking place (labor rates vary dramatically between MN, GA, AZ, etc). This leads to unrealistic expectations for pricing, timelines, etc.

There is a strange preference toward cheap contractors (especially on investment properties); however, think of a general contractor as you would any other professional. Do you ever look for the lowest priced doctor, attorney, CPA? Yes, you need to be price sensitive to a certain extent, but you also "get what you pay for". We are not the cheapest company in our market; however, we also guarantee project budgets up front (with the exclusion of changes in allowance amounts spent, unforeseeable code/safety-related issues, or client changes in the overall scope of work), complete 99% of our projects on time (or ahead of schedule), and constantly respond to calls/emails (even if the calls are to berate us for something). Plenty of contractors do the complete opposite - bid low and send change orders constantly to get to the same price point at the end, all while avoiding phone calls and dragging on timelines.

Some will suggest providing materials directly, completing some of the work personally to cut cost, etc; however, many professional contractors (I am one of them) will not allow clients to provide building materials or complete work on site. Contractors are able to get discounts on building materials, so even if they "mark-up" their discounted materials, the price is oftentimes the same as (or better than) your price through Home Depot or the local lumber yard. That mark-up also covers all aspects of the order (delivery to the job site, returns of extra materials, replacement of faulty materials, re-orders when specifications change on the fly, etc). Similarly, we know our crews and how long their work takes. If an owner is allotted 5 days to paint, but takes 8, that creates a domino effect for the remainder of the entire project, and can delay completion by upwards of 2-3 weeks (most crews in our market are booked for the next 2-3 weeks at any given point). 

The best contractors will also honor their warranty requirements (in MN that's 1 year on cosmetics, 2 years on mechanicals (HVAC/electric/plumbing) and 10 years on structural defects). If we're going to cover those types of warranties, we have to be certain we trust the quality of all materials being installed/utilized on each job site we're running, and that we know our crews are completing all work (and as a result will come back to fix things for free, within warranty parameters). There is too much inefficiency and gray area when you start to commingle material/work responsibility.

To cover your initial question, our standard payment schedule includes 5 equal payments - 20% down, 20% x 3 at project landmarks specified in each contract (they differ depending on scope of work) and 20% upon project completion. For us, "project completion" is defined as the date when all work is complete, all inspections passed and permits officially closed, and the final client walk-through is complete and approved (we complete a preliminary walk-through in the last week of the project to blue tape any remaining issues and create a running "punch list" that is shared with our clients so everyone is on the same page). There can be one item that will take 5 minutes to fix, and we will gladly leave the final payment (which can be in excess of $20,000) outstanding until it has been remedied.

What I emphasize to all of our potential clients is that the client/contractor relationship is very intimate. You will hire very few professionals who will work with you on a daily basis for weeks (sometimes months) on end, and also directly impact the value of some of the largest investments you will make in your lifetime. If our working style doesn't seem like a fit, or our prices do not meet expectations, the last thing we want is for a potential client to sign on the dotted line. It has to be a fit for both parties, or the project will not be a success. 

My recommendations for vetting contractors?

(1) Visit current job sites (check things like productivity, job site cleanliness, quality of work)

(2) Visit completed job sites (to see a finished product in person - pictures can skew reality!)

(3) Require 3+ references, and reach out to them (anyone can provide a list of names, and few people ever call after receiving the list)

(4) Require proof of insurance and ask to be listed as "additionally insured" (you will be notified if the policy is modified or canceled)

(5) Require proof of licensing and permitting (many contractors will say permits have been pulled when they haven't)

(6) Research the company, owner, etc thoroughly online - you can learn a ton (social media, google reviews, Better Business Bureau, etc)

(7) Trust your gut. If something doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. It's better to delay the project a few weeks than move forward with the wrong company.

(8) Once you find a great contractor, have open and honest conversations with them about what is working and what isn't. If you're looking for a long term partner, treat the relationship as such and you will be amazed at the results.

Best of luck with the hiring process!