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Post: 5 Lessons Learned From Selling My Laundromat
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Here are 5 lessons I learned from selling my laundromat last year that can help you as a prospective business buyer.
Lesson 1️⃣ - Listing sites can be a legitimate way to buy and sell a business.
I will often hear people say that they’re not even going on listing sites because “they only have bottom of the barrel listings,” but this has not been my personal experience. I found my laundromat on BizBuySell, and I sold it through that site as well.
I still absolutely think it’s worth networking with business brokers and doing direct outreach to business owners, but you don’t need to take listing sites off the table.
If you’re sending out a lot of outreach messages on listing sites and you’re not hearing anything back, it may have more to do with you than the platform.
The number one mistake that I saw buyers making was jumping right into negotiating (and not very good negotiating at that) without first spending the time to build rapport. Things like:
🚫 “I need seller financing. How much will you offer?”
🚫 “This seems priced too high. Shouldn’t it be at a lower multiple?”
Here’s the thing. I was willing to offer some seller financing, and I was fine discussing the multiple. But I have to get to know you first.
The buyers I resonated with, who I believed in as operators–those were the people I was willing to be flexible with. Those were the situations where I was looking for ways to make it work.
Don’t come out the gate haggling, or even discussing the terms at all. Introduce yourself. Why are you interested in this business? Why should the broker/seller take you seriously? What are you bringing to the table?
There will be time to negotiate. But it shouldn’t feel like a fight.
I guarantee you are more likely to secure favorable terms if the seller likes you and can imagine you as a great operator for the business. It’s your job to convince them of this.
Lesson 2️⃣ - When selling a business, there are a lot of time wasters. Don’t be one of them.
There were different ways that potential buyers wasted my time. Some had clearly heard about buying a laundromat on YouTube and just wanted someone to listen to their brilliant plan to buy five laundromats in the next year.
Some were unwilling to provide proof of funds. But I didn’t need to worry–they had a lot of money!
Some went through the process of signing the NDA, providing proof of funds, and having multiple conversations, only to end up ghosting me.
I think what a lot of this comes down to is that many people start looking for a business before they’ve figured out for themselves what it is they really want, and what they can actually execute on.
Here are a couple of the common misconceptions I encountered from buyers:
🚫 You can close on multiple acquisitions within a year.
Sure, it can be done. But I usually heard this from people who had never owned a business before, didn’t have the cash to back up their plans, and often were planning to maintain full time jobs.
My advice: Start with one business. Really learn how to be an operator. Yes, you can expand (and SBA has some great options for that), but the basis for a strong expansion is really understanding how the business works. And that takes time.
🚫 You can rely on seller financing to get deals done.
A good number of the folks who reached out needed 30% or more seller financing to close. While I was open to carrying a note, I wasn’t going to go that high.
Unfortunately, there’s been an unrealistic expectation set by the gurus that relying on seller financing is a viable strategy for buying a business. And while seller financing is a very common practice in business acquisition, the good deals are not being done with high levels of it.
Particularly with smaller deals, and especially with a business like a laundromat, there are cash buyers out there. If you find a seller willing to carry a large note, that business is likely going to need a significant time and money investment from you post-close.
Lesson 3️⃣ - It’s not that hard to be a good buyer. Here’s how.
✅ Do your research to learn what is realistic.
Spend time really considering what type of business is going to be the best fit for you based on your experience and how you want to spend your time once you are the owner. Also consider how you plan to finance your acquisition and what size business is feasible based on your current liquidity.
✅ Focus on making a good first impression and building rapport.
This starts with getting honest with yourself about what you’re looking for and how you plan to execute. Brokers and sellers need to be able to envision you as a good operator for the business, and they have to believe you can actually get the deal done.
Your initial outreach should not get into numbers. You should not start the conversation trying to secure a seller note or haggle for a lower purchase price. Simply start by introducing yourself and why you’re interested in the business.
Remember that for most owners, their business is very personal to them. They’ve likely invested a considerable amount of time and money into it. Keep this in mind as you interact with them. When you’re explaining your interest in the business, don’t just talk about the numbers. What about the business personally resonates with you?
✅ Demonstrate that you are a good person to work with.
Be responsive, transparent, and friendly.
When I was assessing buyers, I wasn’t just looking at how much cash they had. I was also looking at whether or not they were someone I wanted to work with. I knew that we were going to have a lot of back and forth, and that there would likely be a problem at some point that we would need to solve together.
I needed to have confidence that whoever I signed an LOI with wasn't going to back out at the last minute for a silly reason. I didn't want to be waiting days for them to get back to me about edits to the purchase agreement. I wanted to work with someone who was going to pick up the phone when I called.
From your first interaction with a broker/seller, show through your words and actions that you are honest and reliable.
Lesson 4️⃣ - Buyers and sellers become business partners.
I truly think one of the biggest oversights in due diligence is the seller themselves. The fact of the matter is, when you sell or buy a business, you are entering into a business partnership with the person on the other end of the transaction.
Yes, the partnership is limited (partial buyouts aside), but what you will be accomplishing during your time together is significant.
Due diligence can take months. More than likely, you’re going to encounter some kind of problem or unexpected circumstance at some point. And you want the person you’re doing business with (your buyer or seller) to be someone you can rely on to work with you, not against you.
This might seem like a silly word to use in the context of these very official business transactions, but I stand by it: You have to pay attention to vibe.
You know when you’re not getting a good feeling from someone. You can tell when someone seems a little shady–when it feels like they’re not quite giving you the whole story.
If I were considering a business to buy and everything looked fantastic on paper, but I wasn’t getting a good feeling from the seller, I’m not buying that business.
Because as someone who has sold a business, I know there are things I could have hidden from my buyer. Things they wouldn’t have realized until I had their money and there was no going back.
It goes both ways. You need to feel out your seller and determine if this is someone you want to partner with. You also have to show that you’re a good person to do business with, because they’ll be making the same assessment of you.
Lesson 5️⃣ - Business is about people.
It seems simple, but I see it so often overlooked, both by the people I work with who are seeking to buy businesses, and by a lot of the people who were interested in my business.
Too often, I see folks get too caught up in their spreadsheets. They’re so excited about the SDE or the margins or the multiple, they lose sight of the bigger picture.
Business is personal. It’s personal to the seller, who’s likely devoted a considerable amount of time and money to their operation. It’s personal to the employees, who are directly impacted by the work culture of the business and rely on it as a source of income. And it’s about to be very personal to you as the one who is going to be responsible for it, and maybe have a significant debt to pay back on it.
The vast majority of business owners selling their business genuinely want to see it continue to succeed, even if it has no monetary impact on them. They want someone who is going to treat their employees and their customers well. Someone who is going to continue the legacy that they built.
That’s exactly how I felt. And I saw firsthand how a seller’s personal view of a potential buyer could impact the deal. For example, there were certain buyers I was willing to offer seller financing to. These were people who showed a genuine interest in learning and growing the business. They asked good questions. They were transparent and responsive.
And there were other people I was definitely not open to offering seller financing to. These were people who seemed more interested in adding an investment to their portfolio than really operating a business. They would ask me a question and then interrupt me as I answered. They took a long time to respond to emails.
As you embark on or continue your business buying journey in the new year, I know you are going to see more opportunities come your way and experience more success if you can remember this lesson.
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Eric Bilderback:
Very cool thank you for the post.
I have thought about a laundry mat with 3 apartments on top in my town, I even know the lot I want to put it on. Is that eligible for an SBA loan? They will not finance new construction correct? SBA will loan on real estate correct I believe I have heard that is a good strategy do you have an opinion there?
SBA loans can be used for new construction, but that's not my area of expertise so I can't be too helpful there. SBA loans can also be used to purchase existing real estate, as long as at least 51% of the square footage is owner occupied (so occupied by your business). SBA loans can also be used to acquire laundromats, but it can be tough for a few reasons, some of which apply to smaller size businesses in general.
1) Cash nature of the business - This is changing over time as more mats are gaining card systems, but there are still mats out there that only take cash. It can be tough to verify that revenue, and owners aren't always reporting all of it on their tax returns. SBA lenders underwrite to the tax returns, so if those don't show a profit (at or least a profit after reasonable add backs), you likely don't have a deal.
2) Lack of documentation - SBA is doc heavy. Mom and pop shops aren't always keeping good records, which can be a huge detriment when trying to sell.
3) Cash competition - There are many laundromats for sale under $500k. At that price point, a seller's chances of finding a cash buyer go way up. Just because you find a laundromat that could qualify for SBA doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to use an SBA loan to buy it if you're beat out by a cash offer.
4) Historical cash flow - SBA lenders typically want to see 3 years of historical cash flow. I don't know if this is a recent trend that's come about with the rise in popularity of laundromats, but I've noticed more "fix & flip" situations on the market - mats being sold by owners who have owned for 1-3 years and put some significant improvements in. They want to sell based on the last 6 months to a year of cash flow, but SBA needs to see more history.
Overall, you stand a greater chance of using an SBA loan to buy a larger laundromat. They're more likely to have clean and accurate financials and you're less likely to be in competition with cash buyers.
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Robert Ruschak:
That is a great story. Why did you decide to exit out of a laundromat after holding it for a short period of time and putting in all that time and effort?
Thanks for the question! I actually made a YouTube video answering this question in greater depth, but I'll summarize here.
Laundromats are not passive income, particularly when there is a wash & fold service. We were basically on call whenever the laundromat was open. It was tough for my husband and I to be out of town at the same time, even for a couple days. We were always juggling who was on the phone.
We had at most 2 employees on our payroll at one time, so if one called out sick there was a very good chance we needed to go in and cover. We considered hiring a manager, but we didn't have the cash flow to pay for a quality one and still be making enough for the endeavor to be worth it to us. I think this is a big misconception with laundromats, and even other small businesses. People think they're just going to hire a manager to solve all their problems and make the investment passive for them, but it's not that simple.
We got to a point where we didn't want to be on call anymore. We decided we needed to either double down and buy probably 2 more laundromats to have the cash flow for a manager, or sell. It would have been a different story if we were selling at a loss or a very small gain, but we were happy with the profit we made from the sale, and more importantly the experience we gained, so all the time and effort felt worth it to us.
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Joe Derobertis:
@Keira Hamilton can you suggest any forums similar to this one but specific to laundromats? I’m in the process of evaluating the purchase of a laundromat and looking to engage with some folks to ask some questions.
Thanks in advance!!
That's a good question. Planet Laundry might be useful to you, but I'm not sure if they have a forum. I host weekly small group office hours focused on laundromats and other small business acquisitions. You're welcome to stop by sometime. I also do one-on-one consultations. Links are on my YouTube page.https://www.youtube.com/@Keira_Hamilton
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Colleen F.:
@Keira Hamilton Great summary. This was in a middle class neighborhood and I get why that is less risk however with apartments increasingly including laundry, I would imagine demand lessening in that location. I would be curious about the breakdown in machines use vs wash and fold service and how that contributed to the sale. Also if your sale price for the business was driven by some value add, better record keeping, or was underpriced to begin with?
There wasn't much new construction in the neighborhood. Most of the buildings were older and many weren't built with laundry facilities. It can be a big project to add machines, so I wasn't really worried about the need for self-service going away. There was more competition on the wash & fold side as there were definitely other companies operating in the area.
Self-service was about half of our revenue and dry cleaning/wash & fold made up the other half. Does that answer your question?
The price was based on our SDE, and the multiple was driven by increased operational efficiency and brand/positive reviews. I don't think the business was underpriced when we bought it.
One of the most common questions I get about laundromats and other small businesses is how to value them. I'm actually working on some YouTube content to answer that question and will be putting it out in the next week or so. youtube.com/@Keira_hamilton
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Danny Rodriguez:
Quote from @Keira Hamilton:
Hey BiggerPockets Community!
I’m excited to share a bit about my experience purchasing and operating a laundromat. I’ve seen a few questions about laundromats as an asset class, and would love to share what I’ve learned.
A bit about me: I’m a real estate investor (my husband and I own a 4plex in Oakland, CA), and SBA loan broker. In 2023, we were looking to expand our rental portfolio, but couldn’t find anything in our area that made sense. An out of state investment didn’t feel like the right fit for us either. It was hard to find anything that cash flowed enough to make it worth it to us, and I personally prefer to have the ability to manage my properties myself.
We decided to pivot into business acquisition. There was a lot of buzz around laundromats and our interest was piqued. We found one on BizBuySell and ended up purchasing it for $190k. In 16 months we generated $285k in revenue and then sold the business for $300k.
That experience taught me a lot about what it takes to own, operate, and sell a small business like this. I’ve come to think of this period of my life as my real world MBA, and view my laundromat as a fantastic starter business. My husband and I plan to use the proceeds from our sale to purchase a larger business in a few years using an SBA loan.
For those interested in exploring entrepreneurship through acquisition, I think laundromats are a great place to start. They’re typically stable, cash flowing businesses that are straightforward and simple to understand. If you’re already a real estate investor, you can certainly understand and successfully operate a laundromat.
That being said, there is a lot of misinformation online about laundromats. They are not the passive income dream that some influencers will have you believe they are, and getting a “free” laundromat likely isn’t as good of a deal as it might seem. Like all businesses, laundromats have problems and require time, effort, and money. For those who are willing to invest these resources, they can be fantastic businesses.
I wanted to address some of the most common questions I’ve seen about laundromats:
1. Are laundromats profitable?
Short answer: Yes, laundromats can be profitable, but profitability depends on a few factors. Like any investment, there are good and bad deals.
Location is key. We purchased our laundromat in a safe, middle class neighborhood. Laundromats are open to the public, and if the local neighborhood has a high crime rate and transient population, those can be potentially expensive problems that can affect your business.
We were fortunate in that we didn’t have too many issues with crime. During our tenure, someone tried unsuccessfully once to drill out the locks on our vending machine and coin changer, but nothing too eventful aside from that. Those are repairs that we had to pay for, however, and that can cut into your cash flow if these problems occur often.
Well maintained equipment is also key. If the age of your equipment is older, or it stops functioning, those repairs can also add up.
When we purchased our laundromat, it had a strong brand and positive reviews online. It was already generating steady income, and we were able to grow its revenue further by raising prices and improving operations in the wash & fold service, which led to better customer retention.
Our SDE (Seller’s Discretionary Earnings) was about $77k annually. SDE is calculated by taking the net income and then adding back certain expenses, such as the owner’s salary and non-cash expenses like depreciation and amortization. Those non-cash expenses definitely helped us out during tax season.
2. What does it cost to buy a laundromat?
The cost to buy a laundromat can vary widely depending on the size, location, condition of the equipment, and goodwill. Small businesses are typically valued at a multiple of SDE. Most commonly, laundromats are sold at a 3-5x multiple of SDE.
SDE = Net Income + Owner’s Salary + Non-Cash Expenses + One-Time Expenses + Income Taxes + Discretionary Spending
In my case, I purchased mine at about a 4x multiple of SDE for $190k.
3. What is the time commitment of owning a laundromat?
I want to dispel the myth that laundromats are passive income. Can they be more passive than having a 9-5 job? Yes. Can they be more hands-off compared to other types of businesses? Yes. But, they still require time and effort. Even completely self-serve laundromats require daily cleaning and light maintenance.
As far as time costs, expect to spend time each week troubleshooting equipment issues, routine maintenance, cleaning, and handling customer issues. Of course, you can delegate most of these tasks to employees, but then you should also budget time for employee management, hiring, and training. If an employee calls out sick or quits unexpectedly, you will have to step in to handle the day to day of your business.
The amount of work required from you as the owner will depend largely on what services your mat offers. We had a wash & fold service with pickup & delivery, which added complexity to the operation. But even if you have a completely self-serve laundromat, problems will still occur. Even new machines can experience issues, and when those issues mean that water is leaking all over your laundromat, you’re going to want to respond to that quickly.
It may not be that your laundromat requires that many hours in a week of actual work, but the times your laundromat will demand your attention can often happen unexpectedly.
In a typical week, we would work 7-10 hours on our laundromat, either being there physically or working remotely. However, we went through periods when the laundromat required more of our time, particularly in the beginning as we were getting to know the business.
4. What should I look for when buying a laundromat?
When buying a laundromat, it’s crucial to evaluate the financials carefully. Make sure you have a solid understanding of the revenue and expenses and that you are able to verify everything. Many laundromats take card payments these days, which is very helpful in verifying revenue.
Look at the lease terms – long-term leases with reasonable rent increases are important for keeping costs predictable, and can also be important for securing financing.
Also, check out the equipment and figure out what repairs or upgrades might be needed in the near future. I would advise anyone seriously considering buying a laundromat to bring in a technician to do due diligence with you. If the machines are 15+ years old, I recommend getting a quote to replace them. Many distributors also offer financing and can give you an idea of what monthly loan payment you’d be looking at. While it’s possible the machines could keep on chugging for years to come, I always like to take the conservative approach. Consider, if the machines did start failing in the next couple years, how would a loan payment affect your cash flow?
You also want to think–and this is perhaps the most important piece–how will this particular laundromat fit into your life? How do you plan to operate it? We never hired a manager because it simply would have taken too much out of our profits. I think it’s hard to have enough cash flow to hire a full time, quality manager who actually allows you to be completely hands off when you only own one laundromat. If you scale and buy a couple more mats, this becomes more realistic.
Laundromat vs. Real Estate
Here’s a quick compare and contrast of my experience buying a laundromat vs. real estate investing.
Obviously, your experience with real estate can really vary, particularly depending on the market you’re in. Our property is in the Bay Area, which is known for having more tenant-friendly laws. These are my personal takeaways:
Real estate has been more passive for me. Once a tenant is in and they sign a year lease, there’s not too much to worry about aside from the occasional fix here and there. However, we did have a tenant who stopped paying, and because of how impacted the eviction courts were, it took 6 months for him to get evicted. It’s actually not too bad of a timeline for the Bay, but was still incredibly frustrating for us.
He also was living in filth and really trashed the place. We had to pay a biohazard company over $9k for a thorough clean up. Because of the smell from his unit and general hygiene, we also lost a tenant who didn’t want to live next to him anymore. When it was all said and done, our bad tenant cost us over $30k.
The financial hit was certainly tough, but there was also the feeling that we had no control over the situation. At a certain point, there was nothing further we could do but wait for the courts.
You can think of a rental property as a small business, with your tenants as customers. With a 4-unit building, that’s a very high customer concentration. If one tenant stops paying, there goes 25% of your revenue. Depending on where your property is located, it may take quite a bit of time to evict that tenant. If someone refused to pay for a wash & fold at my laundromat, I might be out $100, but I simply wouldn’t do their laundry again. And with over 50 monthly wash & fold customers, losing one wouldn’t make much of a difference.
Overall, my real estate investment has been more passive, but I felt a lot more control over my laundromat. I could raise prices and make operational changes whenever I wanted. I was able to drive the value through my effort and sell for a profit. There’s not much I can do to control the Bay Area real estate market, and our property has gone down in value since we purchased it. Of course, the story isn’t done being written and it’s always possible the value could go back up.
It was also less expensive to buy and sell our laundromat, particularly because we brokered the sale ourselves, saving us 10% of the sale price. Unlike our real estate investment, there weren’t hefty transfer fees involved in either the purchase or sale. Our only notable closing cost on the sale was an attorney fee of about $5k.
Long story short, if you’re a real estate investor interested in another asset class, perhaps consider acquiring a small business like a laundromat.
Very valuable information. Thank you for sharing. I’m on the same boat. Don’t know whether to get into the laundry business or buy out of state.
Glad you found it helpful! Let me know if you have any questions.
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @John Mason:
@Keira Hamilton very detailed and inspiring write up, thanks so much for the information it gave me some new ideas
Glad it was helpful! I also make laundromat content on YouTube @Keira_Hamilton. Best of luck on your journey!
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Jonathan Soto:
great write up. thank you for taking your time and going in to detail. i have been looking into a business for myself but havent seen much in biz bysell that make sense. just need to keep searching
Glad it was helpful! It can take time. I think we got lucky because we were only searching for a couple months, but I know for many folks it takes longer. Feel free to reach out if you have questions!
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Jordan Ryan:
Hi, good stuff! I was wondering when you bought the laundromat were you able to get financing like sba or did you have to pay cash since it was such a small amount in general? Also I know it can be hard to get financing if the seller is hiding money on taxes and it looks like their not making much money. Thanks!
We paid cash. The sellers were only taking cash offers so we didn't look into SBA financing, but I think it would have been hard to do since there wasn't the right amount of historical cash flow. I'm an SBA loan broker, and overall it's tough to finance laundromats. Some of it has to do with the same sorts of challenges you see with smaller sized businesses in general - mom & pop shops aren't always keeping the best financial records or doing their taxes the correct way.
Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla
- San Diego, CA
- Posts 52
- Votes 54
Quote from @Chris Martin:
@Barre Gambling I am curious... in your opinion, is our area in central NC underserved outside of the Raleigh-Cary-Durham MSAs? Specifically, where are the opportunities and how do you spot them? In rural areas where I am, like northern Johnston County or northern Harnett County, I don't think there are many laundromats relative to the population. What are the metrics for determining site selection? In the self storage market, they have ratios based on population to determine demand. Does the same metric hold true for laundromats?
I wouldn't be able to speak to that area specifically. And I've only purchased an existing laundromat, not started one, which I think is a whole other project. Overall, I recommend business acquisition over startups, particularly if you're new to an industry. I make content on laundromats on my YouTube channel (@Keira_Hamilton) and go into some of the differences between acquisitions and startups.