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All Forum Posts by: Keegan Wetzel

Keegan Wetzel has started 14 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: What is the average cost of drawings and permits?

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Anthony To:

I'm in San Diego and looking to convert a three car garage into two 1-1 units. The total square footage is roughly 700 sq ft. There is a 2-1 apt above the garages already. The property is in North Park.

I spoke to ADU Geeks, a San Diego-based firm that specializes in ADU development, and they quoted me ~$36k for all soft costs for both units. Soft costs includes design, permit fees, school fees, water/sewer and title 24. So basically from nothing to permits in hand and ready to build will be $36k.

Does that seem reasonable? Any way for me to get that done cheaper? 

Hi @Anthony To,

Those numbers look pretty solid for a bigger company.  The biggest shave I have seen on soft costs are using a 3rd-party permit runner to maybe save like $5k.  Permits and plans for 2-units probably range $8k-15k.  The City is going to be about $1800 in permit fees and then probably another $3500+ in sewer/water/school/DIF.


Here is a rough quote I received from a bigger company in San Diego to build 4 units where I have an existing 5-garage structure, and this would include partitioning off part of an existing 3 unit to make my 4th unit (so converting the 5 garages into 3 units)

 It feels like a pretty conservative approach....but, for what it's worth, here are the numbers we actually all care about!  And they are pretty tasty, which is why I love investing in this market and helping my clients do the same!

Quote from @Steve Meyers:

Hi All,

I've been getting a lot of questions regarding the San Diego market in particular and where prices are going etc so I wanted to pull the most recent data to compare last year's January to this one.

All properties saw an increase of 9.5% in prices from January 22 to January 23 which is displayed on the graph below.  

I also pulled inventory numbers by price point in the second graph below.  The average home price in San Diego is about $840K which currently has about a .9 month supply up .3 from last year.  

I'm going to be watching this month over month to see where inventory numbers go but I wanted to post about this because there have been a lot of media companies (Goldman Sachs) out there that put San Diego in their headlines as one of the markets to take a hit in prices, but I don't see it happening anytime soon unless we really see an increase in our inventory supply.  A lot of these media companies are just putting headlines out there for click bait and not actually looking at the data.

Demand for San Diego housing has and will continue to be one of the most desirable and competitive markets in the US.

 @Dan H. @Steve Meyers

I have read the Goldman articles in their entirety, as well as the USC and UCSD school of real estate articles projecting a major decrease in San Diego home values in 2023.  The common thread about these articles actually has nothing to do with Supply/Demand; they don't cite the 2008 numbers and they don't make a claim toward the basic tenants of S&D that you would anticipate from any market-related projection.

What all 3 articles have in common is that they are using a "new way" of projecting market activity - they are looking at buyer activity across 3rd party applications online as a foreshadowing of future buyer demand...and it kind of makes sense to me.  After all, buyers leave a HUGE digital footprint when looking to purchase a home: mortgage sopping, saved searched on Redfin, Zillow, Homesnap, etc., researching moving companies, UHauls, designers, and General Contractors.


So, I don't think we can throw the baby out with the bath water...if this data is way down, then buyer activity is likely to be a bit less this year.

However, buyer activity is 50% of the market's behavior, at best.  The articles don't take into account inventory numbers, current seller positions (interest rates in the 3's and 4's) and motivation, buyer trends toward different asset classes, etc.

At best, it is interesting to see the data and start to apply it how we see fit...which would have to apply *projected* buyer behavior, like these articles are, against *projected* seller behavior...which these articles are not, IMO.  The articles ar applying projected buyer behavior against the past 5-10 year average of seller data.

My $.02 - sellers aren't nearly as motivated as they have been in the last 12 years and prices will stay extremely strong in San Diego; buyer activity may even drop, as predicted by these articles, but it won't have a 20% dip in values and we may even see values continue to climb in 2023.  My guess is that values trade sideways in 2023 and then continue to go up just as interest rates come down in 2024 (ELECTION YEAR - they always do)...so this year should present some good buying opportunity windows.

Hope that is helpful!

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) other investment in San Diego.

Purchase price: $1,383,000
Cash invested: $70,000

3 Unit VA-loan purchase. Added 4th Unit.

Post: Best ADU Design and Contracting Companies in San Diego County

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Doug Spence:

@Keegan Wetzel Thanks for that info on Design Appruv! Im sorry you had a bad experience but I appreciate you passing that info along. Knowing who NOT to use is just as important. 

Yes I'd love to chat with your buddy CJ. Does he have experience doing ADU's in La Mesa?

I do not have financing set up yet, but my plan is to use an interest only HELOC to fund the ADU. Do you have any recommendations?

Thank you!


Hey Doug - please reach out - happy to pass on CJ's information. With ADU Geeks he worked all over San Diego so I would be very surprised if he hasn't worked in La Mesa.

HELOC is always the most firm route - I have recently learned of some solar companies funding home improvement loans that I am looking into myself. I may be able to give you some guidance there as well as I figure it out!

Post: Unpermitted Multi-family Purchase Risks

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Ben Capone:
Quote from @Keegan Wetzel:
Quote from @Ben Capone:

I am analyzing some multi family properties and one of the properties is a tri-plex with two attached units that are unpermitted. Assuming this is likely why the selling price is lower than expected. Does anyone have experience purchasing a multifamily property with unpermitted units? What are the risks here? Appreciate any feedback or tips. I think this property has some great opportunity but I don't know what the worst case scenario would bring here. This is in San Diego county for reference. 

 Hi @Ben Capone,

Absolutely - San Diego is one of the most friendly places in the Country right now for purchasing unpermitted units, or adding units to smaller unit-mixes, because the City is starving for more affordable housing.

I purchased a 3-unit in 2020 and added a 4th unit to it (which already existed and was unpermitted). I also purchased a 5-unit in 2022 and a 4-unit in 2023; I intend to add 4 ADU's to both of those properties.

The most important part is knowing the zoning and what/how can be built, and then secondly to have a rough understanding of building codes so you can tell if the current unpermitted work is done at least to what appears to be code.  Happy to help you dig into this if you would like so that you know if this is a purchase where you can force some pretty immediate equity or not! I am definitely an expert on zoning.

I have also helped clients purchase 67 units in the last two years and almost all of them are multifamily units where they can build additional units over time, or convert those unpermitted units over time.  Love the way you are thinking on this one!


Keegan thanks for the response and info. I will definitely need to do some research on the zoning as that is a new language for me . I do work for a general contractor though so I feel like I have a decent understanding of code requirements, which may help my cause. I would love to pick your brain some more on your processes and experiences with your properties if you have some time! I will shoot you a message. Thanks again. 


 Sounds great brother!  You will have a better eye for code req's than I will - I can't tell the difference between 42 inches and 48 inches but every single one of my contractor buddies can!

I've got you covered on base zones, overlays, FARs, etc.!

Post: Advice for a Newbie Looking to House Hack in San Diego

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Luis Espinoza:
Quote from @Keegan Wetzel:
Quote from @Luis Espinoza:

Hello! I'm looking to house hack a property in San Diego. I would like to rent out the extra bedrooms to medium term tenants or via AirBnB to short term tenants (after getting the proper city permit) to maximize the rental income. 

For the folks out there in the medium term/short term game in San Diego, how is it going? Any advice for a newbie to this strategy and market? I'm currently looking for properties under $700k so most of them have been 3bd/2ba or 2bd/2ba townhomes/condos in Mission Valley, Clairemont, or East Village. 


I have already connected with a great realtor, but looking to get other experienced people's opinions. 

 Hi @Luis Espinoza,

I have 2 full time STR/MTR's in San Diego - one in Bay Park (this is one unit of a multifamily I own there) and one in Oceanside (large house with a hot tub, etc.)


If you are going the STR route, I will say that bookings are WAY down year over year. I would add to this that, people are either renting your unit to be at your unit, or extremely close to something. If you are renting a house in La Mesa, I don't know that your revenues would be great in this environment, from what I have seen this year.

The MTR route is great if you can purchase near military bases or hospitals here, for military TAD orders or travel nurses.

I have a fantastic property manager for STR's if you would like his contact info - he runs all 7 units that I have on Coronado and about 20 more for clients of mine in San Diego.

I think potentially the most important part of this strategy will be your debt and how you structure it. Do you plan to do a 30 yr conventional? With the roller-coaster in rents from the STR game (for example, my Oceanside place did $20k in July and $1400 in February) I would just want to make sure that you structure a monthly debt bill that is robust enough to ride that wave confidently!


Hope that helps! 


 Thank you for the input Keegan. It's great to hear actual revenue numbers from investors with properties in the area. I figured there would be some volatility in revenue, but I didn't think that much! Wow 20k vs 1.4k. I will keep this in mind as I continue to search for the right investment.

The best strategy to battle volatility might be to save all additional revenue generated during the peak months to be used as reserves during the slow months. Another option might be to look for medium term tenants during the slow months and short term tenants during the peak months. Since I will be living in the property, it might be more straightfoward to swap strategies based on the market demand.  

I'm currently looking to use a 3.5% down FHA loan with a fixed interest rate for 30 years to finance the property. I am specially leaning towards this option due to the recent reduction in PMI rates for FHA loans. My plan is also to ask the seller to finance a 2-1 loan buydown with the intention to refinance in two years if rates have lowered and the property has appreciated to the point where I can get rid of the PMI (fingers crossed). If that's not the case, it's okay, I will continue with FHA loan for as long as needed. I am being careful to ensure the deal makes sense at the closing day interest rate aka assuming there is no 2-1 buydown.

No need for an STR property manager at the moment (thank you for the offer!) as I plan to self-manage but I will keep it in mind in case I ever need one.

 Hi @Luis Espinoza - Love it! My wife and I self-managed our first 3.  She is full time in design/staging for Airbnb's now.

I like the FHA idea for low capital cliff to get in the deal, but that PMI lasts forever (literally, you don't shake it at 78% LTV). So it is good to have an entry, medium term, and long term debt plan: My lending team is great at this. Ie. FHA with 3.5% down immediately, and maybe take a re-finance in 18 months continuing with FHA but buy a property such that I can do some ADU magic and refinance as a conventional duplex in 3-5 years (thus getting out of that PMI and forcing equity).


Feel free to reach out for any guidance - happy to be a resource for you!

Post: Best ADU Design and Contracting Companies in San Diego County

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Doug Spence:

Hello BP community! I'm looking into building a detached ADU at our primary residence in La Mesa.

Does anyone have recommendations for ADU design and construction companies in San Diego county? I've already reached out to 85 Design but looking for more, preferably a company familiar with La Mesa since the city can be especially tough with permits, etc.

Thank you!

 Hey @Doug Spence!

I used Design Appruv on my first ADU and they have since gone bankrupt and stole everyone's money :/...so don't use them, but do look up their Yelp reviews if you want a good chuckle.

My buddy CJ just left ADU Geeks and is starting his own company - I think for quite a significant discount. I can put you in touch with him! I am pursuing a few larger companies myself as I am building 3 different ADU projects this year, but I haven't really gotten started enough with any of them in order to give positive/negative feedback.

Do you have financing already setup for your project?

Post: Unpermitted Multi-family Purchase Risks

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Ben Capone:

I am analyzing some multi family properties and one of the properties is a tri-plex with two attached units that are unpermitted. Assuming this is likely why the selling price is lower than expected. Does anyone have experience purchasing a multifamily property with unpermitted units? What are the risks here? Appreciate any feedback or tips. I think this property has some great opportunity but I don't know what the worst case scenario would bring here. This is in San Diego county for reference. 

 Hi @Ben Capone,

Absolutely - San Diego is one of the most friendly places in the Country right now for purchasing unpermitted units, or adding units to smaller unit-mixes, because the City is starving for more affordable housing.

I purchased a 3-unit in 2020 and added a 4th unit to it (which already existed and was unpermitted). I also purchased a 5-unit in 2022 and a 4-unit in 2023; I intend to add 4 ADU's to both of those properties.

The most important part is knowing the zoning and what/how can be built, and then secondly to have a rough understanding of building codes so you can tell if the current unpermitted work is done at least to what appears to be code.  Happy to help you dig into this if you would like so that you know if this is a purchase where you can force some pretty immediate equity or not! I am definitely an expert on zoning.

I have also helped clients purchase 67 units in the last two years and almost all of them are multifamily units where they can build additional units over time, or convert those unpermitted units over time.  Love the way you are thinking on this one!

Post: Advice for a Newbie Looking to House Hack in San Diego

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Luis Espinoza:

Hello! I'm looking to house hack a property in San Diego. I would like to rent out the extra bedrooms to medium term tenants or via AirBnB to short term tenants (after getting the proper city permit) to maximize the rental income. 

For the folks out there in the medium term/short term game in San Diego, how is it going? Any advice for a newbie to this strategy and market? I'm currently looking for properties under $700k so most of them have been 3bd/2ba or 2bd/2ba townhomes/condos in Mission Valley, Clairemont, or East Village. 


I have already connected with a great realtor, but looking to get other experienced people's opinions. 

 Hi @Luis Espinoza,

I have 2 full time STR/MTR's in San Diego - one in Bay Park (this is one unit of a multifamily I own there) and one in Oceanside (large house with a hot tub, etc.)


If you are going the STR route, I will say that bookings are WAY down year over year. I would add to this that, people are either renting your unit to be at your unit, or extremely close to something. If you are renting a house in La Mesa, I don't know that your revenues would be great in this environment, from what I have seen this year.

The MTR route is great if you can purchase near military bases or hospitals here, for military TAD orders or travel nurses.

I have a fantastic property manager for STR's if you would like his contact info - he runs all 7 units that I have on Coronado and about 20 more for clients of mine in San Diego.

I think potentially the most important part of this strategy will be your debt and how you structure it. Do you plan to do a 30 yr conventional? With the roller-coaster in rents from the STR game (for example, my Oceanside place did $20k in July and $1400 in February) I would just want to make sure that you structure a monthly debt bill that is robust enough to ride that wave confidently!


Hope that helps! 

Post: SFR, Airbnb and STR

Keegan WetzelPosted
  • Realtor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 34

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $785,000
Cash invested: $120,000

SFR, Airbnb and STR