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All Forum Posts by: Kat McLead

Kat McLead has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Kat McLead can understand your frustrations with your PMC!

As a PMC, we have frustrations all the time with owners that bought Class C properties - but, expect Class A results. 

How did you screen this PMC? 

You may want to review our copy & paste advice posts below.

One other thing, recommend you confirm that eviction courts won't require the owner or PM to be present for eviction hearings, in addition to the attorney.

In our OPINION (always verify your area for yourself!):

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenants: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+, zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenants: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680, some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should often be used to also cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenants: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying previous 2-years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with zero or negative relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenants: majority will have FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

Encourage you to learn from the mistakes of others - by reading posts here on BiggerPockets about owners not having their expectations met by their current Property Management Company.

To avoid going through the same poor experience, keep reading.

Even if someone give you a referral, don’t make the mistake of assuming that PMC will meet your expectations, just because they met the expectations of the referral source.

We also can’t believe how many owners hire the first PMC they speak with!

Then they complain their expectations aren’t being met!

In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator – and they often select the first PMC they call!

So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊


 Thank you for this detailed response. Maybe I am guilty of expecting Class A service with Class C properties. Thank you for the viewpoint and the knowledge to dig into the legalities of eviction. I appreciate that. 

@Robert Ellis
A special thanks for being the most thorough answer to my question and not just offering me another PM. =)

Thank you everyone for your thoughtful responses to this newbie investor. =)


@Jimmy Lieu Thank you for your response. I will take you up on the property manager recommendation.
I've had my current team in place for 1.5 years, and the C level property is somewhat stable. That is the only reason I have considered taking over management.
I would specifically like one person who would take care of renting out units and evictions when needed.

Hi Community,

I posted a success story of buying an apartment, duplex, and quad after years of reading on BiggerPockets and finally taking action. It's been a big learning curve in C real estate.

I am not happy with my management team in Ohio. They nickel and dime me as an out of state investor, and have my units sitting empty with no work being done on them for weeks. I have to constantly call/text/ email and threaten to leave for things to happen. I am done with this. I have two vacant units right now that I knew nothing about, and just got an estimate after 2 weeks and who knows when work will be done.

The only person I could count on left the management company and can handle all the necessary maintenance on my units. (He has been doing them for over a year). He cannot help with filling units and evictions. 

I would like to try self managing, but would appreciate guidance on who to look for or how to have someone show the units and handle evictions. Any help from you more experienced investors would be greatly appreciated. This would save me over $10K a year.

With the mismanagement we are just at break even (and need to do $6K+ to turn two units and about $24K to replace very old radiators in the near future putting us underwater again).

Thank You,
Kat 

@Ronald Ernest Szabo

I live in very high cost coastal Coastal Southern California and chose to buy out of state. Sounds like you're doing good with house hacking. Maybe try out of state for income property.

It's not without some headaches. Non-payment and evictions have begun.

@Dave Carter 

We took out a commercial loan. All three properties were in one big loan. I thought you could not get a commercial loan without a 2 year track record and was looking at duplexes and quads. My hubby ignored all traditional advice, and got two commercial loans approved. It was a tough process with uncooperative sellers, but it is done!

… units. 
1 10 unit apartment

1 4 plex

1 duplex

All in a bundled commercial loan. 

I was scared to pull the trigger for years, so took baby steps and kept studying. I started with a syndicate  and was ready to purchase a 4 plex at my husband’s urging. Instead this bundle presented itself, and we said yes. The deal was stressful with uncooperative sellers, but we closed.

Newbies, keep at it. 

Post: My First Deal = 6 Doors!

Kat McLeadPosted
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This is inspiring. You both did what it took to make it happen!

Brandon-Please give us an end of year update!