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All Forum Posts by: Kati Stratos

Kati Stratos has started 7 posts and replied 20 times.

Hi folks - I'm under contract on a property on the NJ shore. My other properties are in Philly, so this is my first time dealing with anything related to riparian rights and I'm feeling totally clueless. I'm wondering if anyone has had a similar experience or can offer any insight. (Yes, I've asked my agent these questions, but I made the mistake of choosing a new agent for this deal who is extremely inexperienced, has no answers, and I regret having worked with. But that's a whole separate issue and a mistake I won't make again.)

Situation (as relayed via email from title company to my agent): "A tideland search was done and it revealed an 8% riparian claim without a grant. We need to discuss further the amount of the Seller funds that will need to be escrowed in reference to the Tidelands Claim of record estimated at approximately 8% of the Property's current Assessed Land Value of $121,000. I will be filling the exhibits of a Riparian Survey and Riparian Appraisal, application fees and any related forms needed to submit the Tidelands Claim Application to the Tidelands Bureau of the NJDEP on behalf of the current property owner.I will be contacting [redacted] to authorize preparing a riparian survey based on the claim information. Once the riparian survey is received I will contact an appraiser who is familiar with the riparian appraisal process to prepare the riparian appraisal based on the riparian survey to be prepared as stated above."


My understanding: 
Any land that tidelands once flowed through belongs to the State of NJ. So, when they do a Tideland Search, they look for that and they estimate the amount of the area which is a "claim". That land needs to be bought from the State of NJ which is done through a Grant Application with the State of NJ. In order to estimate the claim more accurately, a Riparian Survey is done mapping out the claimed area and after that is done, the title company uses a formula to calculate the escrow to be held by the Seller to in essence purchase that land.

My questions: Does this mean it will be up to the seller to purchase the land from the state of New Jersey prior to closing? What is the general timeline for that? Are we talking a weeks-long process or a several months long process? I'm not thrilled about my money being held up in escrow if this is going to be a major delay. Are there things that could go wrong in the process? Anything I can or should be doing to mitigate risk to me and also ensure the sale moves forward efficiently?  Is this a big deal or no big deal?

I'm kindly requesting that responses please not be snarky or condescending. They sometimes are when I post here and it's super discouraging for folks who are not stupid, just may be less experienced than you. :) Thank you so much if you've taken the time to read and reply. 

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

thanks @Wale Lawal - great to know. appreciate your response.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

Thank you @Natalie Schanne! This context is really really helpful. And it wasn't a lowball offer at all - It was a full priced offer! My best guess at this point is it was laziness on the part of the agent. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate it.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

thanks @Steve Morris. I called my trusted PA realtor and he referred me to a colleague of his who is licensed in NJ. My PA agent will get a 25% referral fee from that.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

Thanks @Charlie MacPherson - here's the latest. Apparently my agent submitted something common in NJ called a Proposal to Purchase. His justification for submitting this rather than a formal offer was "An offer takes 90 minutes to prepare and this is exactly the same thing" (eye roll). I asked to retract that and submit an actual, enforceable offer.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

@Steve Morris Thanks for this guidance. Very helpful. Can I withdraw the offer and resubmit it via the agent I use (and trust) in PA? The only reason I was working with this new guy was because the property is in an area about an hour from where I live (it's a beach duplex).

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

@Jonathan Greene Thanks, Jonathan. I appreciate your reply. The property is in Ventnor City, NJ. 


Follow up question for you and others. Can my PA agent submit an offer on a property in NJ? If so, I may require that this agent withdraw my offer (as @Charlie MacPherson suggested) and have the agent I trust in PA re-submit it for me instead. Would that be allowed?

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

@Caleb Brown, thank you. I sent him a text asking if I needed to sign the offer before submitting and he said "Your offer is in. I'll let you know when I hear back." He's only 'new to me', not new to real estate, so I'm VERY perplexed and now quite nervous. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply, this is so helpful for me.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

@Charlie MacPherson, thank you so much for this thoughtful and thorough response. My gut was telling me this was not right, and I'm so glad to have that confirmed. Really appreciate you.

Post: Does offer letter require buyer's signature?

Kati StratosPosted
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 6

Hi everyone! I've searched online for the answer to this question and can't seem to find it. I have purchased multiple properties in PA using an agent, and in my experience the agent always has me review and sign the offer letter before he submits it. I just put an offer in on a property in NJ for the first time, and in this case, the new agent I am working with in this area went ahead and submitted it without my review or signature of the written offer (which was fine, I think, it just felt a bit odd that I hadn't reviewed it in writing like I am accustomed to from previous PA purchases).

I'm wondering if this is part of a difference in rules between PA and NJ? Or just a difference in preferences/styles between different agents? 

Thank you for reading.

Kati