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All Forum Posts by: Katie L.

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Post: Do I need an attorney to set up an OOS LLC?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Norman Berman

California is a sort of beastly state when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property.

Be sure to tell your accountant that you may now need to file non-resident income tax returns in each state where you own property as well. Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

Post: 1031 Exchange--LLC questions and spouse

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Troy Danno

Several things in your little post that need to be addressed... if the LLC never held title, why did you report the LLC as the owner of the property? If you owned the property prior to marriage, is it your separate property? In that case, adding your wife could cause issues if not done correctly. Do you not have a trust that you are holding title since you are a CA resident? If not, you should be looking at forming an estate plan. Does your LLC file a partnership return or its own tax return at all? Do you anticipate having holdings in multiple states, in which case you may want to consider forming a CA LLC so you don't end up with this problem in the future since you are based in CA as a central tie. You will likely have to register your non-CA LLCs in CA anyway and pay the $800 since you are managing the LLC from CA and therefore doing business in CA. Your situation is complex enough to warrant hiring professionals to help you.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Multiple SFRs in one LLC

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Michael Lewis

There are several considerations that can go into the analysis of whether you need an LLC or whether a large insurance policy will suffice. Will depend on several factors like the type of property, type of tenants, your risk tolerance, other assets you own, your estate planning, laws where the property is located, etc.

Any lawsuits would be limited to the assets of the LLC and not your personal assets (assuming you run the LLC appropriately and the corporate veil is not pierced). But, an LLC will not limit you from liability in total. You can still lose your investment in the LLC. If you're going the umbrella insurance route, make sure it will cover you for several things including just the routine slip and fall (like mold or earthquake). You'll also want to ensure you have a good property manager to look after the upkeep of the property if you are not there to notice anything deteriorating or which may need attention.

Creating an LLC in California would cost you a minimum tax of $800 every year. You would have ongoing filing requirements with the State and would need to keep business records and documentation.

You also want to look at whether a pass-through entity helps your bottom line and your taxes. There is a new 20% pass through deduction you may qualify for that could help you, but not everyone qualifies. You should still be able to get this even if the properties are not in an LLC, if you qualify.

These are all things you will want to discuss with your attorney and CPA. If you need references for either of them in San Diego, let me know.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: Start an LLC in California

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Sipan Y.

There are several considerations that can go into the analysis of whether you need an LLC or whether a large insurance policy will suffice. Will depend on several factors like the type of property, type of tenants, your risk tolerance, other assets you own, your estate planning, laws where the property is located, etc.

Any lawsuits would be limited to the assets of the LLC and not your personal assets (assuming you run the LLC appropriately and the corporate veil is not pierced). But, an LLC will not limit you from liability in total. You can still lose your investment in the LLC. If you're going the umbrella insurance route, make sure it will cover you for several things including just the routine slip and fall (like mold or earthquake). You'll also want to ensure you have a good property manager to look after the upkeep of the property if you are not there to notice anything deteriorating or which may need attention.

Creating an LLC in California would cost you a minimum tax of $800 every year. You would have ongoing filing requirements with the State and would need to keep business records and documentation.

You also want to look at whether a pass-through entity helps your bottom line and your taxes. There is a new 20% pass through deduction you may qualify for that could help you, but not everyone qualifies. You should still be able to get this even if the properties are not in an LLC, if you qualify.

These are all things you will want to discuss with your attorney and CPA. If you need references for either of them in San Diego, let me know.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: New San Diego investor seeking referrals in the San Diego market

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Christopher Radecke

I know a ton of real estate agents in San Diego if you still need names.

*this post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: LLC questions for investing out of state

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Noam Birnbaum

California is a sort of beastly state when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property.

This article goes into a lot of the considerations about whether to form an LLC or not: https://www.mmpph.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/May-2019-newsletter.pdf

Be sure to tell your accountant that you may now need to file non-resident income tax returns in each state where you own property as well. Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

Post: First purchase - do I do an LLC

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Regan Moore

There are several considerations that can go into the analysis of whether you need an LLC or whether a large insurance policy will suffice. Will depend on several factors like the type of property, type of tenants, your risk tolerance, other assets you own, your estate planning, laws where the property is located, etc.

Any lawsuits would be limited to the assets of the LLC and not your personal assets (assuming you run the LLC appropriately and the corporate veil is not pierced). But, an LLC will not limit you from liability in total. You can still lose your investment in the LLC. If you're going the umbrella insurance route, make sure it will cover you for several things including just the routine slip and fall (like mold or earthquake). You'll also want to ensure you have a good property manager to look after the upkeep of the property if you are not there to notice anything deteriorating or which may need attention.

California is a sort of beastly state when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property.

Be sure to tell your accountant that you may now need to file non-resident income tax returns in each state where you own property as well. Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

These are all things you will want to discuss with your attorney and CPA. If you need references for either of them in San Diego, let me know.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: Best title vesting for married couple owning MFR in CA?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Ryan Passi

Are you CA residents?  If so, you may want to consider a trust.  Probate is required at death unless all of your assets pass at the moment of death to a beneficiary, your total assets are under $166,250, or you hold assets in a trust.  If you have bank accounts or brokerage accounts and all that sort of thing, usually is best to just hold all of them within the context of one whole trust.  Community property with right of survivorship should avoid probate at the first death, but what happens at the second death, or simultaneous death like a car accident?  And what if all your other assets don't have beneficiaries and are over $166k?  You should probably be looking into a full estate plan.  Let me know if you need referrals for estate planners in California.

As for asset protection, look into an LLC or a good umbrella policy.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.

Post: Looking for a good REI Accountant

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Tim Thorpe

I can refer a bunch of names in San Diego if you're willing to work remotely.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Minimizing taxes implications on primary residence: 121 plus 1031

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
  • Votes 422

@Curt Wortman

Check with your own CPA but it is likely that you can use only one of the 121 exclusion or the 1031 tax free exchange.  Yes, would need to be an "investment" property before can use the 1031 tax-free exchange.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.