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All Forum Posts by: Katie L.

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Post: Structuring Partnerships from the Outset

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
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@Account Closed

There will be several things you will want to discuss with your partner and your attorney. An LLC might not be needed, maybe just a co-ownership agreement depending on what you have going on and your relationship with your partner. The terms you agree on will then be memorialized in your agreement in some fashion. You'll definitely want to speak with an attorney though and get it drafted correctly. Let me know if you want the names of some lawyers in San Diego or some accountants.

Post: Property Mgmt Laws in CA - managing other peoples' rentals

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Justin R.

Can’t say I’ve had to deal with it personally but gifting or selling a part of a property comes with several implications: how to take title, right of lender to call the loan, right to partition, gift tax, property tax reassessment, capital gains, etc.

Also, I’m not sure how accurate that link you attached is with regard to the current law but your 2 bullet summary above seems to leave out some other options. You might want to look into the power of attorney option they have listed there. I’m not sure if that’s a valid option so do not take any of this as advice but seems that would be a simple fix to your question.

*none of this post is intended to be legal or professional advice and does not create an attorney-client or cpa-client relationship. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: In need of a CPA, Lawyer, and 1031 Intermediary

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Spencer Wardwell

Might be able to help if you’re willing to work with folks in San Diego. Shoot me a message if so.

Post: Looking for a CPA in San Diego

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Account Closed

Post: Real Estate Lawyers in San Diego/ SoCal area

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Michael Hudson

What kinds of contracts are you looking for? Purchase agreements? LLC?

Post: Buying out of California

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Craig Sweeney That's a very open-ended question depending on your circumstances, other assets, relationship with your sister-in-law, budget, type of property, type of tenants, risk tolerance, etc. An LLC or a corporation can be an expensive endeavor that may not be necessary and you may be able to use a good umbrella insurance policy. At some point though, having good protection may be a cost and hassle worth paying for, even if just for peace of mind. A C-corp traditionally has been a poor vehicle for rental real estate but now with a lower 21% tax rate, is becoming a better alternative, especially compared to an LLC which can be taxed as high as a 37% individual rate since LLCs are pass-through entities. I'm working with clients in San Diego right now that are going through that analysis at the moment, especially with the newest 199A 20% deduction/rate just enacted with the newest laws too. Lots to consider. If you're in CA I'm sure you've heard about the $800 minimum tax an LLC would cost you, but for some people that is absolutely worth it. Let me know if you need referrals for CPAs or attorneys in San Diego or Southern California. Can't say I know too many people in Nor Cal to send you to. Good luck!

*None of this post is intended to be legal or professional advice.  It does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: ​Living in CA, investing out of state. Where to form LLC?

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Kelly Byrd

Sounds like you may have already set up your LLC so maybe this is too late, but in case you haven't or for any other readers, there are brand new partnership audit regulations which drastically change the course of audits of partnerships (including LLCs if treated as partnerships). Such changes will likely require amendments to your LLC agreement or partnership operating agreement or else there can be significant downsides, depending on your situation. These are changes that you are NOT likely to see in a standard operating agreement you get from a legal zoom or nolo type service. The rules are effective January 1, 2018 and since they're federal rules, they will affect your LLC whether it's in California or South Dakota. I am working with clients here in San Diego to update their documents to protect them from some of the rules - which include the IRS appointing a "Partnership Representative" if one is not named, and their appointment is final! Might be something to look into for your document and agreement, or for past LLCs if you have an older operating agreement.

Also, have you considered a C-corp? Generally not recommended for real estate because of the rental income, which is usually used by owners to pay rental expenses, which could result in double taxation at corp level and shareholder level. But, if you have enough assets that you can use to pay for the rental and leave it as a long-term growth vehicle, the corporate rate is now 21% with the newest tax laws, which may be lower than your individual rate that you will pay on LLC pass-through earnings on your individual return (highest rate is 37%).

The newest tax laws also implemented a new section 199A which gives a benefit for certain pass-through shareholders if you meet certain tests.  But the rules are complex for what income qualifies and what taxpayers qualify, but is something you may want to consider in how you structure your company.  Might make sense for some taxpayers to have separate LLCs for the same piece of real estate depending on the type of income so that some of it qualifies for the new 20% deduction/rate which could have significant tax savings.  2018 brought a flurry of new rules and opportunities!

In regards to your question about community property vs separate property, there's a lot that goes into that analysis and since I do not know all the facts, I will refrain from comment or advice.  It may be that your property is "quasi-community" property.  Depends on several factors including where you and your wife live, where you were married, if you used community funds for the down payment, if you use community funds to pay the debt, etc.  You may want to consider a transmutation agreement if it is necessary.  Also not sure if you had a pre-nup or post-nup.  

Last comment for right now, if you don't have an estate plan in place you will likely want to get one ASAP. Sounds like you have a lot going on and you just never know what life can bring. It sounds as though you're trying to save costs, but good legal advice is worth paying for. Let me know if you need referrals in San Diego or Southern California. Going through probate in CA can be a very expensive process and a huge hassle and if you drafted your LLC agreement yourself, you may be headed that way eventually.

*None of this post is intended to be legal or professional advice or relied upon in anyway.  It does not create an attorney-client relationship or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Delaware LLC for long term rentals

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Justin R.

You mentioned possibly creating a c-corp. I'm helping a few people with their analysis right now of C-corp versus LLC here in San Diego. With the newest tax laws, C-corps are at a 21% rate permanently, which may now be lower than your personal tax rate at which LLC income will be taxed (can be as high as 37%). C-corps have downsides of course, but if tax savings is one of your goals, it may be analysis you want to work through. The newest December tax laws also created a deduction for pass-through income that you MAY qualify for, but the rules as to what types of income qualifies and who is able to benefit from it are rather complex. I'm looking at this for a lot of my clients right now. The analysis will depend on many different factors. Then, there's the added wrinkle of brand new partnership audit rules effective just this year that you will want to be sure you talk to an attorney who keeps up on the rules to make sure your agreement is drafted in accordance with these new laws. The beginning of 2018 brought a flurry of new things to consider! Good luck!

*None of this post is intended to be taken as legal or professional advice or relied upon.  It does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship and any reader is advised to seek professional advice.

@Logan Allec thanks for the mention and compliment.  Tough to keep up on all these strings with excellent questions and advice from all over!

Post: Tax basis help on $3M California residence inherited b/w trusts!

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
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@Matt Dines

Sounds like you need an attorney, not an accountant. The basis would likely be a full step-up if it was INHERITED. Not sure if you're talking the trusts are general grantor/family trusts or if they're irrevocable trusts. If they're irrevocable, could be that the property was GIFTED to the trust in which case the FMV at the time of the gift would be the basis in the house. Also depends if there was an estate tax return filed or what basis was given to the beneficiaries and whether any discounts were taken due to partial ownership/minority interest. Need more information here before giving an opinion.

Depreciation is only on BUILDING, not on LAND.  So the full fair market value of the property is not depreciable.  See if there is any documentation as to the breakout between the two on prior sale documents, or you can look at how the county assessor breaks it out.  Typical breakout is usually 60/40 but depends on the property.

If you sell the property, the basis the buyer takes will be the fair market value of the property purchased.  So if only 1/3 is purchased, then the 1/3 sales price would be added to whatever basis the buyer has in the 2/3 of the house and added together for total basis in the property.  Likewise, the seller would take the sales price in the 1/3 and subtract out his basis in the 1/3 to calculate gain or loss.

Something you may seriously want to consider here as well is property tax issues.  You may be able to take advantage of the parent-child exclusion here if done correctly for some parts of the property depending on the players.  An assessed value of 700k versus a fair market value of 3m means a huge difference in property tax payments.

I don't have enough information here to give an opinion.  Here's a post I wrote prior that explains some of the basis and property tax issues in more detail.  

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/537...

If you are looking for a tax attorney in CA, I know some in San Diego who can help you.  Shoot me a message if you need referrals.  I also know some San Diego or L.A. CPAs who could help too.

*None of this post is intended to be legal or professional advice.  This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  Readers are advised to seek independent professional advice.

Post: LLC Help for new investor

Katie L.Posted
  • Attorney and CPA
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 590
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@Matt Haman

Hi Matt, depends on the circumstances. While an LLC is a pass-through entity in most states (meaning it's disregarded and you just report the income on your own personal return), California is a bit different in that it levies a minimum $800 fee on LLCs doing business in CA. Depends on the type of property you have, your risk tolerance, your other estate planning, what other assets you may have, etc. I'm down in San Diego but feel free to reach out if you have further questions. Too hard to give an answer just based on the fact that you are "an investor" as there's several things you need to consider. But, cost-wise, you're looking at a minimum of $800 a year for an LLC, plus the cost of the tax return, plus the costs to set it up. If you see a reputable attorney you'll probably pay $2,500-3,000 to set it up (one time cost unless you amend later).