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All Forum Posts by: Katie Balatbat

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Post: Pros and Cons - Registering LLC in-state vs. out of state

Katie BalatbatPosted
  • CPA and Attorney
  • San Diego, attorney
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@Zeb Wallace

Sort of seems unnecessarily complicated, but I suppose, different strokes for different folks. And, we may not be operating with all of the facts or matters that you saw or discussed with that attorney. California is generally more cumbersome than other states when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will probably need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property as a CA resident. If the real property is in CA, you're definitely doing business in CA.

Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction. Of course, with all things, the answers to all these matters will depend on the circumstances.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner and/or spouse live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

@Nikhil Mascarenhas

Different people go different routes depending on their risk tolerance, their amount of equity and compared to other assets owned, how patient they are with a complicated set-up and high legal fees, whether they view the $800 as game-changing or just a cost of doing business, etc. CA doesn't recognize series LLCs, so yes, you would need to be careful with costs for any structure that you put in place. I've seen people create a new LLC per property, or per $X of equity, or after $Y of income since the $800 increases once you have higher amounts of income in the LLC, or any number of other arrangements (i.e., put all your best properties in 1 LLC and worst ones in another, or conversely, only put 1 good property in each LLC with 1 bad property). Remember that the more complexity increases not just legal set-up and ongoing fees, but tax prep and advising fees as well.

There are several considerations that can go into the analysis of whether you need an LLC or whether a large insurance policy will suffice. Will depend on several factors like the type of property, type of tenants, your risk tolerance, other assets you own, your estate planning, laws where the property is located, etc. Same goes for number of LLCs and what to fund them with, since bear in mind that CA tends to be more cumbersome and expensive to have LLCs than other states.

California is generally more cumbersome than other states when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will probably need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property as a CA resident.

Any lawsuits should be limited to the assets of the LLC and not your personal assets (assuming you run the LLC appropriately and the corporate veil is not pierced, some debate as to SMLLC). But, an LLC will not limit you from liability in total. You can still lose your investment in the LLC. Or, a charging order may be granted. If you have a loan, you may wish to look into due-on-transfer clauses.

If you're going the umbrella insurance route, perhaps see if it will cover you for several things including just the routine slip and fall (like mold or earthquake). You'll also want to ensure you have a good property manager to look after the upkeep of the property if you are not there to notice anything deteriorating or which may need attention.

Creating an LLC in California could cost you a minimum tax of $800 every year. You would have ongoing filing requirements with the State and would need to keep business records and documentation. California does not recognize series LLCs.

These are all things you will want to discuss with your attorney and CPA. If you need references for either of them in San Diego, let me know.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

Post: Can I Restructure to an LLC Owned by Family Trust

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Andrew Jessup 

It's extremely common for the family trust to initially own the real property and then to transfer ownership into an LLC for additional liability protection, with the LLC owned by the family trust. Transfers of ownership into the family trust are usually protected (see Garn St-Germain Act), but transfers into an LLC may run afoul of the due-on-sale clause that some investors will choose to obtain consent from the lender prior to the transfer. Most family trusts, especially in CA, provide little or no liability protection (see self-settled trust rules). I've heard more lenders having issues lately with this "dual layer", even though the standard family trust and its individual settlors are usually the same for liability, credit, and tax purposes. Might need to just get to a more informed person at the lender to ask these questions, or get your attorney involved. Of course, with all things, the situation varies and no one on these forums has seen your underlying documents and the actual terms, and thus, you should consult with legal counsel specific to your situation. Good luck.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Delaware LLC / Cali purchase

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Natalie Johnstone

California is generally more cumbersome than other states when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. If the property is located in CA, you're almost certainly doing business in CA. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will probably need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property as a CA resident. Since you can't escape CA LLC registration, if the property is based here, and if you are a resident here, may make sense just to form a CA LLC and simplify your life and your costs.

Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction. Of course, with all things, the answers to all these matters will depend on the circumstances.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner and/or spouse live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

Post: Real Estate Lawyer/ CPA in Los Angeles Area

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Jake Eckel

I can give you a couple of referrals, though more San Diego or OC-based.  Feel free to send me a message if you're interested.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Final Steps before commiting to my first out of state rental.

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Miguelli Fernandez

Depending on if you decide to form an LLC or not... California is generally more cumbersome than other states when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will probably need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property as a CA resident.

Be sure to tell your accountant that you may now need to file non-resident income tax returns in each state where you own property as well. CA taxes residents on worldwide income but may provide a credit for taxes paid to other states.

Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction. Of course, with all things, the answers to all these matters will depend on the circumstances.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner and/or spouse live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

Post: Taking title as individual instead of Single-Member LLC in 1031 exchange

Katie BalatbatPosted
  • CPA and Attorney
  • San Diego, attorney
  • Posts 274
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@Alex P.

Here's a few references to start that may help you to find the answer to your question:

Treasury regulation §301.7701-(3)(b)(1)

IRS Private Letter Rulings 9807013, 200732012 and 201216007

If you need help finding these or interpreting them, as well as knowing how reliable they are for you to use for your own taxes, consult a tax professional.  Might want to also confirm community property nature of the underlying asset.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

 

Post: I have a property in CT but live in CA, where should I open the LLC?

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Irene G.

California is generally more cumbersome than other states when it comes to taxes and filings. Even if you create a non-CA LLC, if you are managing the business from California, you will likely be deemed to be "doing business" in California and therefore likely subject to CA taxes. California charges a minimum tax of $800 a year per LLC, and more if you have gross receipts in excess of $250k. So, if you create an LLC in another state, you will likely need to register it as a foreign LLC in California. Though, this process will be the same for the other state (if you created a CA LLC you may need to register it as a foreign LLC in the state in which you are doing business/holding property). This means that you will probably need to pay registration and filing fees in at least 2 states if you don't buy CA property as a CA resident.

Be sure to tell your accountant that you may now need to file non-resident income tax returns in each state where you own property as well. CA taxes residents on worldwide income but may provide a credit for taxes paid to other states.

Most likely the state where the property is located is where lawsuits would be brought if they are something for personal injury like a trip and fall or something of that nature because the “cause of action” arose in that state. So even if you pick a state with stronger protections like WY or NV, the cause of action arose in the state where the tenant fell, so likely that the court where the accident happened would have jurisdiction. Of course, with all things, the answers to all these matters will depend on the circumstances.

California tends to have more laws on the books and requirements and restrictions that it can be a good idea to form a CA LLC for out of state property so that you as a CA resident are covered, and to try to have your contracts fall under the purview of CA courts. It also is helpful to have a California LLC in case you ever sell that property and move into another state so that you do not need to form a new LLC altogether with new operating agreement, just re-register in the new state as a new foreign LLC. Also, the state of formation is likely where internal disputes would be brought among LLC members, so if you and a partner and/or spouse live in CA, you probably want to arbitrate in CA if the two of you had a disagreement. But, that is not always the right answer and you should speak with someone familiar with your personal situation to get advice specific to you.

*This post is informational only and is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice. This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.

Post: Real Estate CPA Experienced in Southern California (San Diego).

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Meny Espinoza

I know a bunch of CA CPAs, mostly centered in San Diego.  Feel free to send me a message if interested in the referrals.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.

Post: Attorney or CPA for forming LLC

Katie BalatbatPosted
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@Ye Tun Aung

Typically, formation of a business entity is in the realm of attorney work, and though some CPAs will handle it, it probably falls under the "unauthorized practice of law," at least in CA, which carries possible heavy penalties with it.  A business or some estate planning attorneys may be able to assist you.

CPAs tend to be best for consulting with the tax and numerical implications as to how it can affect your bottom line, and consulting as to the structure and right type of entity for you.  Attorneys tend to be bigger picture, including legal rights, asset protection, how it fits with your estate plan and general goals, etc.  Usually the CPA and attorney will work hand-in-hand.

I can give you names for either in the San Diego area if you're interested; just send me a message if you would like more info.

*This post does not create an attorney-client or CPA-client relationship.  The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon.  Readers are advised to seek professional advice.