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All Forum Posts by: Katherine Earle

Katherine Earle has started 15 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Katherine Earle:

I have owned an apartment complex for about a year now. Apprehensively, I let one of the inherited tenants sign a 12-month lease. He has been very cranky during the renovations, to say the least. He seemed to change his tune when he saw me evict 2 of his neighbors over their behavior, yet I still allowed him to sign a 12-month lease, in spite of his negative behavior up until now. Now that the lease has been signed, his nasty behavior has returned and he directed it at my contractors that are working on the laundry room right now. I'm going back to my attorney to adjust my lease, but the only thing it says right now is referring to noise and "peaceful enjoyment". Nothing specific in regards to harassing and abusing on-site staff and contractors at this point. I want to give him a lease violation notice, but I can't just let him verbally assault my contractors and get away with it. How would any of you address this particular issue at this point?

 Ignore him and do all the work, ITS YOUR property, screw him, Hey Mr Jones if you do not like the improvements, we are doing move. If this was Cleveland he would not say a word as the contractors would lock him in the closet while they work LOL JUST KIDDING, 


Haha! The contractor is also an investor and didn’t really care, but I’ve told him more than once that he is welcome to move if he doesn’t like the necessary repairs that I’m making on the building (that he was complaining about when I first took over). Abuse is abuse. Just because you pay rent, doesn’t give you the right to cuss out the workers.

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

But it isn’t the end is it? You still have to deal with him. Not saying he is right to do any of this: was just trying to get a take on what his mindset might be. And don’t kid yourself, he doesn’t think the way you do and you shouldn’t expect him to…he isn’t in the situation of having a new lease and construction “voluntarily”: the building he had a sweetheart deal in was sold. Are you saying he used to be the handyman and favored tenant? Oy.

And almost no one thanks you for half of market, they just think in terms of their immediate situation getting worse. And half of market might actually be market with ongoing construction. Are we talking days, weeks, months? 
i would train yourself not to expect gratitude when you are trying to be fair. You won’t usually get it. 

The more dysfunctional someone is the less they can see the big picture and the likelier they are to lash out. I love the exaplmple of “can’t get to the laundry” it’s classic “I don’t have control over this and I’m angry” he has a right to be angry, just not to lash out.

I was trying to cover possibilities for readers, and most people actually dont do what you already did so bravo. Sounds like a reasonable person would have been satisfied. He isn’t reasonable and Given you did all that I would go formal and hard:

Notice on the door reiterating timelines and say you have issued instructions for contractors to stay within those limits and saying you have gotten reports of hostile action from him/tenants Say any further incidents will result in immediate consequences including up to an including reporting to law enforcement (restraining order?) Make it on formal stationary and openly  cc the contractor and an imaginary lawyer if you don’t have  one already. Have the letter say all complaints MUST be in writing to you at a specific email/address.

And I would certainly offer to let him out of the lease. “You aren’t happy I won’t hold you here even though you committed to 12 months and it’s January. If things calm down I can give you a good reference. Do you want to give notice?”

bet he quiets down.

Maybe others are looking for a pat on the back. I’m just looking to stop a disgruntled inherited tenant from verbally assaulting a contractor. I know all about redirecting anger over loss of control. Abusing staff just because someone is having a bad day will never be acceptable. I dealt with it plenty as a psych/ER nurse through COVID and the last 2 decades. It’s not ok in this industry either.

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Scott Mac:

Maybe a restraining order against the renter barring him from communicating or harassing or being within 150 feet of any construction personnel on the site- as a first step.

If it were my renter I would be thinking hard about turning the unit and getting someone in there that is not a pita.

You are running a business, and this customer is interfering with that business.

Good Luck!

Actually, his neighbor is getting booted right now who was on a MTM and gave my contractors and me all sorts of grief. She crossed one too many boundaries, and had this guy gone as far as she did, he would’ve joined her with receiving a 30-day instead of a 12 month lease.

I’ve been civil, but very blunt with him so far, reminding him that if he is unhappy with the construction that is necessary (and I mean serious deferred maintenance) he is welcome to give his notice and move. Now, we need to move to consequences for his behavior. Non renewal is still 12 months away though. 

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

So from his point of view:

Forced to sign a new lease, at an increase I presume? Or move out. AND his formerly quiet apartment is now a construction zone. AND his previous bad behavior didn’t seem to get called out, why would he think it was problematic?

I would be cranky too. He can’t treat your people poorly but taking a moment to think about it from his point of view might help. His life just got worse and you and your guys are causing it. 

Did you send a notice to tenants outlining the work to be done, times it would be done , timeline for completion and offering an avenue to deliver complaints if any? If you haven’t do so now (email probably best).

At the same time I would inform him that any hostility to the contractors will almost certainly delay the progress and increase his inconvenience, and that any lease renewal will be contingent upon a minimum level of civility. Even if u have sent a note I would do the above.

I would also reach out to other tenants and ask about their experience with the contractors/work. That way when he bi&es to the neighbors they have heard from you personally and he will know that and that you are responsive.

Do all this and see the reaction before any next steps. 

You are making quite a few assumptions. In fact, I did. Staying was voluntary. Signing a 12 month lease was voluntary. I made all of the tenants aware of what we would be working on and the dates when rent increases would be (still well below market rate) a year in advance. They are getting Tenant Appreciation Gifts for staying during the construction and signing a 12 month lease. He is cranky because I won’t let him be the watch dog or the handyman who gets free perks, while I keep the rents at 50% market rate, like the previous landlord did. 

No one got in his way to do his laundry. His behavior was uncalled for. End of story. 

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Karl B.:

I would tell the tenant to leave your contractors alone and tell the contractors to use their cell phone to video record the tenant berating them so you can - if you choose to evict - have compelling evidence to show the judge.

I have been in your position and have dealt with pain in the (bleep) inherited tenants. One lady was so bad I literally hired a property manager to deal with her - and the tenant received a 30 day notice toward the end of her lease. 


Oh, I'm making detailed notes about them at this point, for sure and this contractor isn't opposed to recording something when it seems appropriate (he videoed another contractor who showed up to my property totally blitzed). I want to somehow make this into a lease violation, but I can't figure out how to twist it to be such at this point. Before when they were MTM tenants, I could just serve them a 30-day notice. A 12-month lease is more challenging to get somebody out, but the lenders prefer tenants on 12-month leases. So, I'm trying to suck it up with this guy.....but I have limits. This guy already emailed me "his version" which definitely left out the parts where he was banging on the machines and adding lots of expletives.

Post: Aggressive Inherited Tenant

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

I have owned an apartment complex for about a year now. Apprehensively, I let one of the inherited tenants sign a 12-month lease. He has been very cranky during the renovations, to say the least. He seemed to change his tune when he saw me evict 2 of his neighbors over their behavior, yet I still allowed him to sign a 12-month lease, in spite of his negative behavior up until now. Now that the lease has been signed, his nasty behavior has returned and he directed it at my contractors that are working on the laundry room right now. I'm going back to my attorney to adjust my lease, but the only thing it says right now is referring to noise and "peaceful enjoyment". Nothing specific in regards to harassing and abusing on-site staff and contractors at this point. I want to give him a lease violation notice, but I can't just let him verbally assault my contractors and get away with it. How would any of you address this particular issue at this point?

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

Someone who has that much liquidity should probably qualify as an accredited investor. Hook up with other people doing big deals and learn from them......Jake and Gino have a great group to hook up with for bigger players. 


or start small and learn a few times before you go buy a larger complex that has a full staff to manage it. I had $2M drop in my lap and I bought 20 units spread over 5 properties and it's been a great learning opportunity. Eventually, after they are stabilized and I refinance them, I will go buy another 20 unit property and hire a resident manager.

Post: Tenant with 750+ Credit Score and 150k Income trashed my apartment... what's next?

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29

"But I wasn't late! It was lost! There is a difference!!!!!"

I was lenient once for a "lost rent payment in the mail". Never again.......

A lease violation is a lease violation is a lease violation. They can have all the excuses in the world (and they will continue, I promise). They signed the lease. If they violate it, it goes on their record. Too many violations, they get kicked out and my attorney can take over. 

Post: Rescinding a Verbal Offer

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Katherine Earle

I am not aware of any state where a verbal commitment would ever hold up.


 Ya, especially a 12-month lease. This was my first property and I have changed how I handle inherited tenants. They were asking if I would evict them or jack up the rent, and as a knee-jerk response, I told them I would offer them a 12-month lease with the new rents if they filled out an application when it came time. I don't tell tenants of future plans anymore. :-D

Post: Rescinding a Verbal Offer

Katherine EarlePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Hart, MI
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Colleen F.:

@Katherine Earle if she has a written month to month that should prevail.  Did you just say that she would be able to stay for a year if the month to month worked out?   

That is funny when they call and don't realize it is your property. I had one tenant with a domestic charge who tried to rent at another location with her boyfriend. 


 Ya, just a MTM at this point and even gave her 6 weeks instead of just 30 days. She is happy to point out all of the text messages and emails about writing up a 12-month lease, but she is conveniently forgetting all of the communication about the multiple lease violations and being reminded that she is risking being evicted if she continues her behavior. My attorney loves putting people in their place when they try to tell us "how things are gonna go" and I'm sure this will be no different. I just hate having to be in a position sometimes to enforce the rules of the lease when it shouldn't be that hard, especially because she was a good tenant for the most part. It's been a common issue among buying properties from mom and pop landlords, for sure.