All Forum Posts by: Karyn L.

@Jenni Vega. BTW... Don't forget to mention that one will not earn certification, degree, license, or even credits nor can receive any form of actual educational assistance whatsoever (except through their own high rate financing) and that YOU receive 50% commission when you talk someone into parting with their money to watch videos OR that they will have to pay gigantic fees to attend their meetings.

This is NOT an educational facility in any way recognized as such. It is, at best, perhaps a way of networking which one doesn't need to spend ridiculous amounts of money on.

One doesn't even get a basic certificate of any skills attained but they DO get lucite trophies with the Renatus logo on them, for whatever that's worth.

What one CAN do is purchase into different levels of their program and then frantically dial phone numbers or post signs along the road advertising real estate venture and refer desperate people to Saturday morning events in which they are hard sold to part with or engage in contractual monetary obligations to their "education" of which you receive an escalating percentage of depending on your level within the MLM program they offer.

@Jenni Vega

You sound precisely like someone trying to sell their "education".

@Mike Cumbie

I SOOO agree, Mike. After writing my OP I started really digging up information and found out Renatus is actually Noveau Riche REBORN (Renatus MEANS "reborn" and sure enough, hierarchy is structurally intact sans Picollo).

I saved myself a LOT of grief by finally posting in here. Just reading my own post made me realize something's WAY off with that organization.

I'm registering for accredited RE class to get license and will encourage my partner to get home inspection licence (construction now...saving to plunk $20K down on Renatus). I need a class to learn how to approach him and tell him what he's so excited about is what it is. :-(

Thank you SOOO much!

@Craig Wilcox

Thank you, Craig. I did a bit more research using the names of individuals who are in the Renatus hierarchy and realized that they are actually none other than Noveau Rich reborn, LITERALLY! The word "renatus" means reborn and I the organizational structure right back to that organization and am rather shocked to find this to be precisely the same.

I was looking into student loans, financial assistance and was told flat out this is not an educational organization, which prompted my intense research.

If money has to come right out of one's pocket, YES, I think investing in actual, tangible property is greater option. It also strikes me that just buying the property isn't enough. One must hire Realtor, etc., to sell so law of diminishing returns enters my head.

Looks like I'm saved BUT someone VERY close to me, who is in his 60s, is toiling away day and night (literally) to gather $20,000 to pay for the third level of this "education".

Looks like I'll need to defer to an entirely different website genre to figure out how to explain to my man he's stepping into something like this.

I'm going to register for accredited real estate courses to become licensed and encourage him to register for the ASHA inspection courses, which is what would be ideal, given his background in construction AND that both of us are close to retirement years and approach as a team.

I'm VERY surprised no one else, or very few, have linked these two organizations together even though Renatus means "born again"...a LITERAL slap in the face to those who they scammed while operating as Noveau Riche...just Noveau Riche REBORN.

Wow. My P.I. skills seem too still be intact (formerly licensed).

I KNEW something was way off. I didn't realize how off until I wrote OP and read it back to myself.

Thanks again!

Hello BP People!

II'm sure questions about Renatus have gotten somewhat redundant however I query as it seems to me such prior by  individuals about are often too delicately verbaged and therefore NOT responded to in a quantifying manner.  

I have read, quite literally, researched THOUSANDS of posts, comments, oral and written iterations of various natures yet I've yet to find even ONE individual that actually QUANTIFIES their success with the education effecting a lucrative or even nominal progression (and I'm not referring to selling the education but success in REI FROM the education) either monetarily or with a personal success story.

It seems everytime an individual inquires into such, when a student or member of Renatus responds it is never inclusive of such but rather, and please forgive my tone, an outline of a sales pitch.

When doing some rather intricate research on individuals who HAVE partially quantified success (to a cheerleader degree, that is, never with bottom line figures) further research exposes that they ALREADY HAD much money to invest in property acquisition and the would not be bruised by the cost of these educations for which one does not receive a license or even certification much less a degree but for which they cannot even GET a student loan as Renatus is not reflective of an educational institution for which one can apply for grant or loan. They are told they can sell the education to pay for their education.

I've not seen even ONE individual report going from modest income to success unless they has money to start with and thus enjoy the annual cheer leading meeting (which is quite costly just to GET there and it requires time off from one's sustainable income) and many Facebook friends.

Perhaps someone could lend some clarity as I've been trying for 7 months now to find an actual success story and simply have not been able to.

People I know that have spent MANY thousands of dollars (I mean SO much at 19%-23% interest rates on credit cards as they can't get student loans) and the annual meeting yet ALL are now in debt so deeply they CANNOT focus but on their life maintaining, usually not RE jobs, just to pay the credit cards escalated by paying for education.  I'm talking about individuals that are myopically retired from mandatory work and can least afford to recover.

It is my hope that someone will finally clarify as, thus far, when attempting to get someone to personally clarify and share, the defenses go WAY up.

Having associates who participated in (and are still paying for) the first two levels of education and NUMEROUS fee based workshops, I've had opportunity to review the material and I'm just not getting what Renatus is selling. To me, with the advent of the internet in the 1990s, all of this information is available for free or a fraction of the enormous cost one pays to Renatus and STILL has no license to do much of anything except write more checks if wishing to invest.

What am I missing? I am not one of such financial status that I could afford to lose $20K that I'd have to put on unsecured credit cards or second mortgage.

Thank you, in advance.