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All Forum Posts by: Kala Samuel

Kala Samuel has started 3 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
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I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?

.
Your comment: "I have been presented with the opportunity"

By a friend? By a relative? By a Sasquatch? By a "creative finance student"? By random email?



She posted in a creative finance real estate group for my state. We met via FaceTime. She did walk me through the property. She showed me the work completed and the work remaining. Her LLC is in good standing.

Next I need to verify the clear title

Have coffee with her, walk the property, have a property inspector with you, use an attorney for all paperwork. Personally I would go a step further and ask for documentation as to how much it will sell for when completed.
She's upstate; I doubt I can make it for coffee. Would requesting her comps suffice?

 Get her comps, but you should be coming up with your own. Her comps may add to yours or give you a starting point, but I wouldnt rely solely on them. 

Agreed. 
Since you don't want to go to the property, and I've seen a lot of fraud over the years, and things can be faked pretty easily these days. I'd require the address, and thoroughly look at it on redfin, zillow and google maps, I'd have an uber driver drive by the address and take pictures of the property, and the work that has been done, and any contractor vehicles at the property and of the person who meets me there.

I'd require a text picture of the driver's license and auto plates of the person who meets the uber driver who says they own the house.

I'd look in county records and see who owns the property and what liens are against the property. I'd contacts the city building department and check what permits & citations have been pulled, and what clean up orders have been issued. I'd want a copy of an electric bill for the property for identification. That is where I would start, but that's just me. 

 Those are all good verification points.

Her deed is free and clear. It's in her LLC. It's in good standing. Her business logo is literally her face lol.

When i say she walked me through the property, it was a virtual walk through. She didn't send me like some old photos. Her appliances and flooring are purchased and in boxes. I could see the foundation repair (brick house) also explains why she needs the exterior repainted. The bricks don't match.

I've got first lien position, promissory note, personal guarantee. I asked about JV, but since she's already in the middle it would cost her more to go to an attorney to add me. She's offered to jv with me on another project she's started. The seller hasn't accepted her offer yet.

Would a title company be willing to look over the documentation for me? The usury law is scaring me a bit. 

You definitely need title, escrow and insurance.
Of course, a title and escrow company can't answer your question about usury, that requires an attorney.

 There can be a difference between personal loans and business loans. Credit cards for instance can be 29% in some places. Sometimes, there can be other cosiderations to make up the difference, as in a percentage of the profit.

I found an attorney! I'm meeting with him Monday. Thanks Ken

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Doug Smith:

I don't know usury laws in SC, but you'll want to check the usury (highest interest rate) you can charge in SC. I'm sure you're fine and you're an individual, so I doubt if the state is going to come after you even if it is over the max rate in the state, but as the carpenter says "measure twice and cut once". Some states have really low maximum rates that you can charge. Keep in mind, you're talking about 20% for 90 days...that's 80% annualized interest. You don't want to give their attorney a defense if things go sideways. Does anyone know off the top of your head what usury is in SC? We don't do much business there and when we do, we're only 9-11%, so I honestly don't know. 

I looked it up, it's 8.75. Do I suggest extending the payback period to get the interest rate lower? I saw someone post 6 months

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?

.
Your comment: "I have been presented with the opportunity"

By a friend? By a relative? By a Sasquatch? By a "creative finance student"? By random email?



She posted in a creative finance real estate group for my state. We met via FaceTime. She did walk me through the property. She showed me the work completed and the work remaining. Her LLC is in good standing.

Next I need to verify the clear title

Have coffee with her, walk the property, have a property inspector with you, use an attorney for all paperwork. Personally I would go a step further and ask for documentation as to how much it will sell for when completed.
She's upstate; I doubt I can make it for coffee. Would requesting her comps suffice?

 Get her comps, but you should be coming up with your own. Her comps may add to yours or give you a starting point, but I wouldnt rely solely on them. 

Agreed. 
Since you don't want to go to the property, and I've seen a lot of fraud over the years, and things can be faked pretty easily these days. I'd require the address, and thoroughly look at it on redfin, zillow and google maps, I'd have an uber driver drive by the address and take pictures of the property, and the work that has been done, and any contractor vehicles at the property and of the person who meets me there.

I'd require a text picture of the driver's license and auto plates of the person who meets the uber driver who says they own the house.

I'd look in county records and see who owns the property and what liens are against the property. I'd contacts the city building department and check what permits & citations have been pulled, and what clean up orders have been issued. I'd want a copy of an electric bill for the property for identification. That is where I would start, but that's just me. 

 Those are all good verification points.

Her deed is free and clear. It's in her LLC. It's in good standing. Her business logo is literally her face lol.

When i say she walked me through the property, it was a virtual walk through. She didn't send me like some old photos. Her appliances and flooring are purchased and in boxes. I could see the foundation repair (brick house) also explains why she needs the exterior repainted. The bricks don't match.

I've got first lien position, promissory note, personal guarantee. I asked about JV, but since she's already in the middle it would cost her more to go to an attorney to add me. She's offered to jv with me on another project she's started. The seller hasn't accepted her offer yet.

Would a title company be willing to look over the documentation for me? The usury law is scaring me a bit. 

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?

.
Your comment: "I have been presented with the opportunity"

By a friend? By a relative? By a Sasquatch? By a "creative finance student"? By random email?



She posted in a creative finance real estate group for my state. We met via FaceTime. She did walk me through the property. She showed me the work completed and the work remaining. Her LLC is in good standing.

Next I need to verify the clear title

Have coffee with her, walk the property, have a property inspector with you, use an attorney for all paperwork. Personally I would go a step further and ask for documentation as to how much it will sell for when completed.
She's upstate; I doubt I can make it for coffee. Would requesting her comps suffice?

 Get her comps, but you should be coming up with your own. Her comps may add to yours or give you a starting point, but I wouldnt rely solely on them. 

Agreed. 

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?

.
Your comment: "I have been presented with the opportunity"

By a friend? By a relative? By a Sasquatch? By a "creative finance student"? By random email?



She posted in a creative finance real estate group for my state. We met via FaceTime. She did walk me through the property. She showed me the work completed and the work remaining. Her LLC is in good standing.

Next I need to verify the clear title

Have coffee with her, walk the property, have a property inspector with you, use an attorney for all paperwork. Personally I would go a step further and ask for documentation as to how much it will sell for when completed.
She's upstate; I doubt I can make it for coffee. Would requesting her comps suffice?

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?

.
Your comment: "I have been presented with the opportunity"

By a friend? By a relative? By a Sasquatch? By a "creative finance student"? By random email?



She posted in a creative finance real estate group for my state. We met via FaceTime. She did walk me through the property. She showed me the work completed and the work remaining. Her LLC is in good standing.

Next I need to verify the clear title

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Matt Ellis:

A thought on Usury Laws governing high interest rates:


I'm learning that a way around this, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is to Joint Venture, JV with the borrower so you get paid an agreed upon portion of the profits. A fixed fee, as opposed to a percentage rate. By doing it this way, it is not considered a loan and not subject to SEC guidelines, Usury Laws etc.

( I have not done this but am a student of the Gator Method and this is what they are telling me )


 I like this idea. I'll have to research it. Thanks!

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?


 oh i did not see free in clear in my other post - something seems up, why not get an equity line from a bank. How is she paying you back?


 She had another investor, but he had to pull out. She's already exhausted her funds and she needs it pretty quick. She has to pay contractors next week. I'm guessing the bank process might take too long.

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?


 What lien position is this and what is the balance and status of any other liens.

1st position.
No liens. Purchased with cash.

Post: To Lend or Not to Lend

Kala SamuelPosted
  • Investor
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Kala Samuel:

I have been presented with the opportunity to Lend to an investor on a property she owns free and clear.

"I am looking for a short term 90 day or less loan secured by the property for rehab costs of $15,000 @ 20% flat fee interest on a property I own free and clear. My goal is to finish the work in 30 days or less and then list it and sell it. We will do a promissory note with personal guarantee and a mortgage note lien to secure the funds you the house.

Purchased $190k

Repairs $25k

(I’ve put $10k of my own money in repairs already)

Selling for $279k"

what do i need to consider? Any tips?


 What lien position is this and what is the balance and status of any other liens.

1st position.
No liens. Purchased with cash.