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All Forum Posts by: Justin Turpin

Justin Turpin has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: How to structure 60/40 split with investor?

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

@Justin Turpin yes these are definitely questions for him. He knows you don't know, and I think he will respect you for not trying to pretend. Do your own research like you are doing now as you ask him.

Ask him to walk you through one of his deals. Ask if you can read one of the contracts. Ask what were the pain points of his relationship with the investor. Ask, ask, ask.

 This is great! Thank you!

Post: How to structure 60/40 split with investor?

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

There's no set norm or structure for a JV. The structure and responsibilities of each partner will be laid out in the partnership agreement. The agreement terms should lean on each partners strengths and capabilities. Based on how you described the proposal, your potential partner will be the investor and cover all cash considerations and you would serve as the boots on the ground/sweat equity. If that's the case, 40% membership interest seems like a generous split for you. Especially if you're not investing any capital, taking responsibility for the debt amongst other things.

It depends on what "all the money" means.  When you divide the responsibilities for each partner, make sure you include the value of what it takes before you even find the property you will be investing in.  How are you compensated, and who is doing all the research to find the property, analyze the property, make the offers, negotiate, etc...  when partnerships are set, and the percentage are established, these are just some of the responsibilities that are never considered when the split percentages are established, and they can involve a lot more time and energy than the responsibilities after the property is bought.
Thank you. Yes, I need black and white in front of me. I agree that if you lay out everything upfront I can imagine it would be less of a headache down the road as with a lot of things in life.

Post: How to structure 60/40 split with investor?

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Justin Turpin:

New here and still learning…

So I walk into a local store and meet the owner (super nice guy, late 50's) and get to talking to him for a while. Turns out he's a REI as well as a business owner in his hobby/trade. He's been in RE for the past 30 years.

I asked him how he got started in real estate since it’s something I wanted to get into (mainly multi family) and he said he had an investor that would pay for everything up front while he would manage it. They would do a 60/40 split on each property. He would do this over and over until he had enough cash to start using his own money to buy properties. He said hes good at 2 things and that’s what his business is and real estate and in all his years of being in it he’s never lost money on a real estate deal.

He told me if I’m ever interested he’s always there and he’d love to do the same with me as he’s always looking to spend money. He would put all the money upfront and I would manage the property. I told him I’d love to have that opportunity!

However, I don’t even know the “rules” for a 60/40 split. I didn’t want to get into the weeds of how the deal works and look stupid, what he expects of me (all the contract stuff) after the 2nd time meeting the guy so I figured I’d go home do some research and come back to him. From what I’m gathering it’s strictly buying then renting. No major flipping involved. It seems like a pretty common and straight forward deal but I wanted to hear how it normally works from you guys…?

Some questions I have - 

- What does he expect of me?

- Why wouldn’t he just buy a property and let a management company manage it for a 10% fee?

- Am I supposed to find the deal?

- Wouldn’t he be a better candidate of finding a deal with his experience?

- Do I pay for repairs?

- Is he buying the property with cash? If so is part of my 40% going towards a house payment?

These might be questions for him but I wanted to see if there was a norm on how to structure a 60/40 split. I’m sure he has the logistics figured out I just wanted to learn a little bit about what I was walking into. Any advice is welcomed!


 Before you go to deep in this, what do you know about this guy aside from the fact you met them in a store. a partnership is like a marriage and getting married after meeting someone in the store for five minutes would not be advisable. First do some research on this person before diving in.

For example, I know someone at this moment who got into bed with another individual, who is a very savvy business person and they were treating it more like a buddy buddy friendship. 

That person appears to have not honored the contract and the person they got into bed with is well known for being someone you typically would not get into bed with because they are a savage. 

Now there is a lawsuit and its not looking good for that individual, not only on that business venture but also the personal guarantees involved as well and the businessperson has an arsenal of attorneys and has no issues spending $1M on a lawsuit to bleed every penny out of that other individual.


This is a good point of view. That has been in the back of my mind. How is one to overcome that fear if they’re needing a partnership to get started? Just because you feel like you can trust someone in the beginning doesn’t mean they won’t screw you over. A good contract would definitely be a must.

Post: How to structure 60/40 split with investor?

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

I’ll admit, I do not know how to manage a property but how else do you learn without diving head first into it? My wife was a property manager for a company for about 3 years so Im hoping she’ll lend a hand with the paperwork. Debt collection is a small part of my W2 job along with my title of “service technician”. So maybe he’s confident that I can fix what breaks. 
Also the only reason I could think that he would want to pay 40% to a partner instead of 10% to a company is maybe he wants to be 100% hands off? I know the management company calls the owner in certain situations. I don’t know. I’m just speculating. That’s probably one of the main questions I have.
 

Post: How to structure 60/40 split with investor?

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

New here and still learning…

So I walk into a local store and meet the owner (super nice guy, late 50's) and get to talking to him for a while. Turns out he's a REI as well as a business owner in his hobby/trade. He's been in RE for the past 30 years.

I asked him how he got started in real estate since it’s something I wanted to get into (mainly multi family) and he said he had an investor that would pay for everything up front while he would manage it. They would do a 60/40 split on each property. He would do this over and over until he had enough cash to start using his own money to buy properties. He said hes good at 2 things and that’s what his business is and real estate and in all his years of being in it he’s never lost money on a real estate deal.

He told me if I’m ever interested he’s always there and he’d love to do the same with me as he’s always looking to spend money. He would put all the money upfront and I would manage the property. I told him I’d love to have that opportunity!

However, I don’t even know the “rules” for a 60/40 split. I didn’t want to get into the weeds of how the deal works and look stupid, what he expects of me (all the contract stuff) after the 2nd time meeting the guy so I figured I’d go home do some research and come back to him. From what I’m gathering it’s strictly buying then renting. No major flipping involved. It seems like a pretty common and straight forward deal but I wanted to hear how it normally works from you guys…?

Some questions I have - 

- What does he expect of me?

- Why wouldn’t he just buy a property and let a management company manage it for a 10% fee?

- Am I supposed to find the deal?

- Wouldn’t he be a better candidate of finding a deal with his experience?

- Do I pay for repairs?

- Is he buying the property with cash? If so is part of my 40% going towards a house payment?

These might be questions for him but I wanted to see if there was a norm on how to structure a 60/40 split. I’m sure he has the logistics figured out I just wanted to learn a little bit about what I was walking into. Any advice is welcomed!

Post: Will house hacking hurt me getting a construction loan

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Angie Castro:

Hello Justin, 

Local investor and realtor here! It all depends on what type of loan you are getting as the criteria varies from FHA to conventional. If you purchase a multi-family with an FHA loan you can buy a property up to 4 units. You could live on it for a year and then rent it. After a year you will have to qualify for a conventional if you want to purchase a property within 100 miles of the fourplex. If you are working with a good lender they should be able to exclude your first purchase from your debt to income ratio with a lease agreement. Let me know if you need a lender that can do this!

Thank you! I believe this is the info I was looking for. So excluding the first purchase from my debt to income ratio is possible only if income is shown for 1 full year correct?

Post: Will house hacking hurt me getting a construction loan

Justin TurpinPosted
  • Dallas NC
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

My wife and I are looking at selling our personal residence this fall and starting the build of our new house. We both have W2 jobs. I want to dive head first into rentals as soon as the build is complete. However, instead of renting while our house is being built I thought, why not go ahead and purchase my first duplex/triplex and house hack it for a year. How will this effect me when I go to change from construction loan to mortgage? Cash is limited as it's going towards current home repairs and down payment for new house. Is there any way for me to achieve this? Am I being impatient? I know it will effect my good credit and debt/income ratio but not sure how much. I've been investing in stocks for about 10 years now but REI is new to me. Any advice is welcomed. Thanks.