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All Forum Posts by: Justin Brown

Justin Brown has started 11 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: Finding off market properties

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Quote from @Colleen Goldstein:

@Justin Brown

Happy to connect as fellow Charlotte investor and licensed agent. Charlotte's definitely a difficult market, but there are still deals out there to be had. I would recommend tapping into the investor network (happy to point you to a few groups, including one meetup I run in downtown Matthews called Southeast Charlotte Real Estate investors.) Alternatively, if you're looking for help finding your next investment just let me know - I come across off market deals as well that might fit your criteria (for instance right now I have an off market unique multi-family in Matthews). 


 When do you guys meet again at that meetup?

Post: Finding off market properties

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Quote from @Gustavo Munoz Castro:

Those are some good ideas. If you have some success with that, you can go wide and get a list of absentee owners (landlords) and cold call them even if they're not looking for a tenant and talk about whether they'd like to sell? Great way to scale it up.


 where do you go to get a lists

Post: Beginner looking for advice

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Quote from @Arron Paulino:
Quote from @Nick Johnson:

Hello everyone,

I have been looking to get into real estate for sometime and finally want to take the next step and secure my first property. Over the last few months I’ve been trying my best to learn as much as I can to gain knowledge in the business and help me make good decisions. 

My first issue is I live in a HCOL area (NY) and investing locally seems like numbers are not worth it. I’d have to spend big money on a downpayment and most properties won’t even cash flow enough to make it a good deal.  

I am now trying to learn as much as I can about investing out of state. I finished reading long distance real estate which was very helpful in showing that it is feasible to buy properties out of state. 

I have a good full time w2 job so coming up with a down payment is not an issue. I just am having issues feeling confident in an out of state market that I have no clue will be good. 

I’m looking for advice on what I should be doing to get where I need to be. So far I’ve read long distance real estate, rental property investing and abcs of real estate. I’m also reading forum posts and listening to the bigger pockets podcast when I can. 

My goal is to buy my first rental property this year, preferably a duplex and would like to get to a point where I feel confident to put my money down and make my first deal. I currently am not a homeowner so this would be my first property all together. 

Thank you for the help. 


Happy to see you're getting into this game! It's honestly been a big learning experience for me just diving in and ironing out things as I went. I was like you and educated myself beforehand but you can only go so far until you dive in.

Sounds like you'd go for a house hack since you'd like a duplex first. You can apply for an FHA loan as a first time homebuyer to use your down payment money to get a property in your area and rent out the other half to get your firsthand experience. This is probably your preferred option. Maybe even think of moving to another city/state if you are comfortable with doing that unless you like living in your area.

In terms of out of state, try to find a landlord friendly state. You sound like me starting out and hope for the best man!

Thanks for the response !

I am stuck living in my current area due to my job so moving isn’t an option. I am actually looking at potential house hacks in my area but I guess I’m kind of picky that if I did go that route I would eventually want it to be my family home in the future so I wouldn’t just pick any house to do that. If I did an FHA loan and paid little down, the mortgage payments would be insanely high right? I feel like that wouldn’t make sense especially since the rent wouldn’t even cover half the payment if I were putting 20% down. 

Do you think OOS as a first investment is too risky? The only market I see thrown around is Columbus and feel like I’m late to that party. 

 I would say that starting out from what I heard that OOS investing could lead to you getting screwed as a beginner. Now with that said though I bet there have been some people who started out doing OOS investing and it worked out well for them. With that said though at the end of the day you got to do what you think you are comfortable with, if you think you can do OOS investing and do fine then go for it.

Post: What should I do until closing?

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Quote from @Haley Jang:

Hello BP team, a new house hacker here.

I'm currently under contract for my first-ever primary townhome, which features 3 beds/3 bath. My plan is to rent out two of the rooms to help cover my mortgage payments.

So far, the property appraisal has been completed, and I've set up home insurance. I'm considering furnishing every room to make the transition easier for tenants and to avoid potential damage during moves, especially considering the property's multiple stairs.

However, since I don't yet have access to the property, there are limitations on what I can do. I can't order furniture, set up moving dates, or advertise for roommates.

I'm also undecided on whether I should pursue STR/MTR/LTR options. (5 minutes away from groceries, 15 min drive to DT Seattle, <30min bus to DT Seattle)

Do you have any advice on what steps I should take leading up to the closing date, which is just 2 weeks away?

Thank you


 Hey Haley it is great to see you are taking action and pursuing getting your first house hack. I am also trying to get my first house hack to, so hearing that you are able to do this gives me the confidence to do it also when I am ready.

As far as when you said that you are going to furnish the tenants rooms I would only be doing that if I was going to STR it because for LTR tenants always bring their own furniture for their own room. I get how you are looking after them so they don't have to carry heavy furniture upstairs to their room but for example if you get an apartment, the apartment complex is not going to supply you with furniture because even though you might have to carry that furniture upstairs it is still understood that you would be bringing your own furniture. However though for a STR and depending on the MTR, then you should supply furniture for the tenants rooms.

Also, I would say that I am kind of in agreement with everyone responding to your post that you should already know by now since you are closing if you want to rent it out as a LTR, MTR, or STR. Good luck with everything I know you will succeed. Also check your inbox, because I am sending you a message shortly about connecting and talking about house hacking since I am trying to go down that path to.

Quote from @Leo R.:

@Alex Clark I have experience with both, and I'd 100% recommend a house hack over OOS investing for a beginner, no question.  I've written about this on the forums plenty of times, so here's one of those posts:

I've house hacked, BRRRR'd, rehabbed, and been involved in just about every other REI strategy out there, and in my opinion, house hacking (a single fam or small multifam) is the single best way to get started in real estate investing.

Why? Because, house hacking can produce great returns, it’s highly flexible, it teaches you essential RE investing skills, but (compared to more advanced strategies like BRRR'ing, flipping, wholesaling, or out of state investing), it is comparatively lower risk, simpler and more beginner-friendly—and therefore has a higher likelihood of success.

Here are the top reasons house hacking is the best way to get started in REI:

1. A HH can produce great financial returns. Specifically, a HH can substantially lower your living expenses, while increasing your income. Lowering your expenses while increasing income is the fundamental recipe for building wealth—and a HH can accomplish both in a single step! A HH lowers living expenses (which is usually a person’s biggest expense)—living in the smallest room in your own house might only cost you $500 per month, whereas renting an apartment might cost $1,000-2,000+ per month (not to mention the $500/mo you spend to live in your own house is partially paying off your mortgage, whereas the money you spend on rent is gone forever). A HH also produces income and adds to your net worth—you can get cashflow from rent, property appreciation, mortgage pay down, and tax benefits. Since it’s your primary residence, you also get access to one of the greatest wealth-building tools ever created: a 30 year, fixed low interest, low downpayment mortgage. When executed correctly and repeatedly, house hacking can be very lucrative, and there are multi-millionaires who built their fortunes on repetitive house hacking!

2. House hacking is highly adaptable, and can be combined with other strategies. As you gain experience, you can combine a HH with other strategies to maximize returns—I've done HH's that turned into various types of value-add plays, BRRRR's, STRs, flips, etc. Often, this is done to adapt to market changes. For instance, I have a property that started as a HH; when rates increased, re-fi'ing wasn't an option, but the property had a layout and zoning that was conducive to adding an ADU—which I did, greatly improving the property's cashflow. Nobody can predict the market, but good investors know how to adapt to whatever the market throws at them, and HH’ing is a strategy that is highly adaptable.

3. A house hack will teach you the essential skills you'll need to succeed in RE investing. With a HH, you learn how to analyze properties & markets, how to find an investor-friendly agent, how to spot value-add opportunities at properties, how to engage in a strong due diligence process, how to screen tenants, how to create a strong lease, how to manage the property, how to build a network of contractors, plumbers, electricians and other pros, how to manage the book keeping of the property, etc., etc., etc. If you want to succeed in RE investing, getting this experience will be critical! There are some lessons that can only be learned through experience, and A HH will provide incredibly valuable lessons that no mentor, real estate course, book or podcast could ever teach (though, I'd still recommend reading up on relevant RE resources, listening to podcasts, etc.).

Moreover, a HH allows you to learn these lessons in a context that is often lower-risk than more advanced strategies (like out of state investing, flipping, etc.). Make a mistake with a house hack and you might experience some inconveniences and lose a few thousand bucks, but you can usually survive. Make a mistake with a flip or out of state investment, and you can easily go bankrupt (especially when you’re first starting).

Plus, if you decide to do one of the other strategies in the future (such as BRRR'ing or out-of-state investing, etc.), you'll be much more prepared to do it if you have a few HH's under your belt--a ton of the lessons you'll learn from a HH can be used to succeed in other areas of real estate ...in fact, I'd say that a HH should be a necessary prerequisite to the more advanced strategies (like out of state investing, BRRRR'ing, flipping, etc.)!

4. Compared to other strategies (like out of state investing, flipping, wholesaling, etc.), a HH is ** relatively ** simple and ** relatively ** lower-risk, and therefore has a higher chance of success. I always use this analogy: would you tell a beginner skier to ski the most advanced terrain on the mountain? (obviously, no; a beginner could get themselves killed on double black diamond terrain!). Beginners should start off on beginner terrain, where they actually have a chance to learn and succeed. A house hack is like that beginner run—you'll fall down a few times, and learn in the process (but you hopefully won't get yourself killed!) …on the other hand, flipping, BRRR'ing, wholesaling, and out-of-state investing are more like double black diamonds—they require a lot of experience, and a single mistake could have dire consequences.

The fact of the matter is: real estate is a high-stakes endeavor, and the more advanced strategies (like BRRR'ing, wholesaling, flipping, out of state investing, etc.) can easily bankrupt a beginner when they're executed poorly.

Although HH’ing is a strategy that's good for beginners, it’s not just for beginners—there are plenty of very experienced RE investors worth many millions who continue to HH, because it's such a powerful strategy.

Now, having said all that, house hacking is not necessarily easy, and it’s definitely not risk-free (if it were, everyone would do it!)...it's just easier and comparatively less risky than the more advanced strategies...House hacking still takes significant due diligence, skill in analyzing the market and the property, time and effort to learn about tenant screening and property management, the ability to anticipate appreciation/depreciation trends, etc., etc., etc....and even with lots of skill and preparation, things will still go wrong (vacancy, plumbing leaks, bad tenants, unanticipated capex, furnaces that kick the bucket at the absolute worst time, etc.)--but that's the nature of the game. As James Brown sang: you gotta pay the cost to be the boss.

Good luck out there!


Hey I just wanted to say Leo this was an amazing description you gave. I am also trying to get into my first house hack and after reading this you made me feel so good about doing a house hack because sometimes I will think if it is worth it or not. The reason I have questioned it a little bit is because I have heard that usually the first house hack doesn't cashflow but even if it doesn't cash flow you are still taking the necessary action as a beginner to get you ready for the more advanced strategies of REI investing like you mentioned.

Post: Finding off market properties

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Quote from @Justin Brown:
Quote from @Rohan Bhoomkar:

I agree with @Jacob Sherman here. I am in the same boat. Looking for of market properties here in Charlotte and I went down the route of looking on Facebook. There are a few groups, and once I posted over there, I had people reaching out to me with information about of market properties. Most of what I have gotten as of market properties require a good amount of renovation, roughly 70 K and above.
this is my first investment property and I am reluctant about putting in 70 K for rehab. I am open for something around 30 K as rehab and a property that doesn’t have any immediate measure maintenance site. I know my criteria but it is hard to find off market property when you have a lot of criteria. That’s what I have learned, I’ll send you a connection request and also the details of someone who is providing me these of market deals from a company called new western. 


 Why do off market properties require a good amount of renovation? What I am looking for is something pretty turn key with hopefully 10k or less in repairs. Do you think I won't find something like that in an off market property?


 I get them weekly, typically 20kish in reno. The more reno the better. Im on the beach while my guys are swinging the hammer, what do I care how much work. I get better deal with more work required 


I totally get how the more renovation the better the deal if it appraises well but for me this will be my very first house hack investment property and the guidance I have gotten is that I should be looking for something pretty turnkey starting out and then explore a BRRR on future deals after the first one.

Post: Finding off market properties

Justin BrownPosted
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Quote from @Rohan Bhoomkar:

I agree with @Jacob Sherman here. I am in the same boat. Looking for of market properties here in Charlotte and I went down the route of looking on Facebook. There are a few groups, and once I posted over there, I had people reaching out to me with information about of market properties. Most of what I have gotten as of market properties require a good amount of renovation, roughly 70 K and above.
this is my first investment property and I am reluctant about putting in 70 K for rehab. I am open for something around 30 K as rehab and a property that doesn’t have any immediate measure maintenance site. I know my criteria but it is hard to find off market property when you have a lot of criteria. That’s what I have learned, I’ll send you a connection request and also the details of someone who is providing me these of market deals from a company called new western. 


 Why do off market properties require a good amount of renovation? What I am looking for is something pretty turn key with hopefully 10k or less in repairs. Do you think I won't find something like that in an off market property?

Post: Finding off market properties

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Quote from @Rohan Bhoomkar:

I agree with @Jacob Sherman here. I am in the same boat. Looking for of market properties here in Charlotte and I went down the route of looking on Facebook. There are a few groups, and once I posted over there, I had people reaching out to me with information about of market properties. Most of what I have gotten as of market properties require a good amount of renovation, roughly 70 K and above.
this is my first investment property and I am reluctant about putting in 70 K for rehab. I am open for something around 30 K as rehab and a property that doesn’t have any immediate measure maintenance site. I know my criteria but it is hard to find off market property when you have a lot of criteria. That’s what I have learned, I’ll send you a connection request and also the details of someone who is providing me these of market deals from a company called new western. 


 Thanks so much for that contact.

Post: Finding off market properties

Justin BrownPosted
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Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

I recommend joining the wholesale groups online and providing an email address to as many as possible and they will consistently send you the deals that they're working on 


 what wholesaling groups do you recommend joining?

Post: Finding off market properties

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Hello everyone I was wondering if any of you guys know how to find cheaper deals that are not on market. The reason I am asking is because I live in Charlotte and my market is pretty expensive. So, with that said I feel like I should try to find some off market properties to see if I can find cheaper deals that way. I told this to one of my friends and he gave me the advice of looking up properties for rent on FB marketplace and Craigslist and calling those owners to see if they would be interested in selling their property. Do you guys think this is a good idea or do you think there is something else you would recommend me doing?