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All Forum Posts by: Justin Sullivan

Justin Sullivan has started 7 posts and replied 157 times.

Post: 203k Loan from Contractor point of view

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

@Paul Welden

Do you have a website where I can gain info on a standard 203k??

Post: 203k Loan from Contractor point of view

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

@Greg Dickerson Thanks for that advice. We haven't even made it that far yet. I don't even think he made the offer on the property yet this is just preliminary. I only sent him a spread sheet of the numbers for labor and materials. Haven't sent the contract yet. That is good to know though. Thank you for this info I will be sure to add that into my contract.

Post: 203k Loan from Contractor point of view

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

So I'm a contractor/investor from south jersey. Although I invest in real estate I own a construction company which I primary work in the field daily. I have a job coming up for a homeowner who wants to take advantage of the 203k loan. Now I've done flips before where I had to have initial money to start the project then received draws based on work completed. I set the schedule budget and draw process prior and called in when I was ready. I've heard nightmare stories specifically about the 203k loan program. I have a client who is looking to have their house renovated using the 203k loan and he informed me that his loan officer stressed the house needed to be livable within 60 days and asked if I was capable of doing this. (don't ask me why the 60 day thing, He already had another property with FHA and needed to close one before the other, not exactly sure that just what I was told) So I simply responded yes anything is possible with good funds and a strict timeline. I asked how much his initial deposit is and how the draw process will work with this loan. He just got back to me after confirming with his loan officer and said "there is no initial deposit and the first draw will be after 3-4 weeks." I don't think my client knows that he has to keep some money (atleast 15%) extra to get me started with materials so the job can move. Also after all the stories I've heard with how 203k pays I'm not sure how they expect to make it livable in 8 weeks if they cant even get me my first payout until midway through? Just wanted to hear everyone else experience with this specific loan. This is a very large job and would be good for my business so I don't want to pass it up but I'm also not going to put down a majority of this 100k job to get it moving especially if I have to wait months for my final payment.

Any experience info would be greatly appreciated!

Post: Contractors: If I Buy Materials, Do You Still Need a Downpayment?

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

@Mindy Jensen As a contractor myself I've personally experienced this many times over the course of my career. There has been times where I have subbed certain tasks out to other guys on my flips and times that I have done the work myself. 

First point is the relationship. As the relationship builds on both sides and trust is established than there is no issue so this question wouldn't pertain to a case like that. If I have a trust with someone I can be paid in advance and they know the job will get done or I can do the job and get the money in the future whenever it is convenient for my client. I just had a job where I paid all the materials out of pocket and began work before any payment was given to me. I received the check a few days later with no issues. That is because there was trust and I knew I would receive my payment.

What I usually like to do in any job is to have some type of down payment or payment structure even if materials are purchased. Some contractors may rip people off but flippers, investors, home owners, human being in general are all possible of ripping someone off in a form of no payment. So until that trust is established I usually like to get what is formally known as a "good faith payment" from my clients. As @Tom Shallcross said about a payment plan or schedule of some sort. I usually like to just get 20% after 20% of the work is completed just to keep everyone honest. After the job is completed and punch list is done and client approves then a check for the remaining 80% can be given for final payment.

In my experience I've learned that if you give someone too much, or make it to easy for them, then, they have nothing left to strive for. So yes I feel that some type of good faith payment is necessary but if materials are being purchased by you then you can pay a small percentage after that amount of work is done. If the job is large and timely you can establish a payment plan. If the contractor wont agree to that then that isn't someone I would work with. The contractor should have enough money to afford his payroll for at least a couple of weeks. If he doesn't then he is doing something wrong and I wouldn't use him unless he agrees to the terms stated above.

On a final note, I always like to leave a majority of payment for the end of the job which is why I like the 20/80 rule even for myself. If you have a contractor that you are asking to come back to do/fix stuff to finalize the job and you still owe him 80% of total balance its a pretty good chance that they will come finish everything to your standards even if they have to come back several times to do it. Now lets look at this way, say you've made several payments to this same contractor and he/she is only owed a small balance, now the chances of them skipping out on the tedious final work is much higher than if they are owed a majority of their balance. 

On small jobs 20/80, on longer job I might say 20/20/60 but I would never pay a down payment for a labor only job and I would never pay more than 50% until final payment.

Post: Need Advice for "As-is" purchase

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

@Chris K.

thank you for your information to my question. It was very helpful and taught me a few things to keep in mind moving forward.

Post: Need Advice for "As-is" purchase

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

Thanks that exactly what I tried to do without saying it like that. I told them since the property has obviously changed. I guess ill put it just like that and see what they say. I guess I worded the question wrong. Since the property I made an offer on has now obviously changed does that give me any leverage to make those demands or be able to back out. I know I can go look over my contract but I'm basically asking if anyone has any experience on this type of thing. The contract is the usual iron clad in favor of the bank so they win no matter what. Thank you for your response but I'll just review my contract and State the obvious to the seller and see if the go for it.

Post: Need Advice for "As-is" purchase

Justin SullivanPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 158
  • Votes 140

So I made an offer on a 6 plex and we went under contract. It obviously your typical "as-is" sale from a bank so I expected to have to do all the paperwork and CO. But then I get a notice to vacant and demolish due to unsafe structure. Or vacant and pull permits and fix issues. So the bank being a bank they say its my problem. So I contact the Twp and come up with the solution that I (Meaning my renovation company) will fix the rotted beam(which is what was causing the structure to be unsafe) as long as the bank reimbursed me at closing for work done. So I draw up an estimate clearly stating "REPAIRS FOR VISIBLE DAMAGE ONLY" After approval the twp wants the soffit removed and architect opinion. My initial Estimate was for $2k to replace one beam and some fascia. Simple job nothing too big. Now the entire perimeter needs to be rebuilt because it was done horribly before. Ill attach some pictures so everyone can follow and get an image of what I'm saying. So I now go back to the attorney and tell him whats going on. I don't expect for the bank to incur all the cost of this repair but when I made the offer on the property is was a fully occupied 6 unit property with some visible repair work needed and a new septic needed.  Since my offer I've found out about $20-30k in structural repairs needed, the tenants needed to vacant, there is 3 units occupied by sqautters who believe they have a legal lease from the old owner ( who lost the property to the bank through foreclosure). Now what seemed like a sure thing is turning into a ton of work.

What options do I have? At the end of the day I still want the property but If I have to now deal with all these extra issues I want some sort of compensation to ease the extra cost. What can I say to this attorney to get him to work with me on this issue.