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All Forum Posts by: Jeff Terry

Jeff Terry has started 4 posts and replied 31 times.

Originally posted by @Cody Neumann:

@Jeff Terry

I think the realtor should at least be giving you some advise knowing that you’re not from the area and don’t know costs to fix certain things. I would say to find a different agent

 I would say I completely agree with you. Thank you, Cody!

Originally posted by @Caleb Brown:

Every agent is different. When I view properties for my clients I'll give my thoughts on rehab numbers(we verify with a GC), market rent and ARV. We can't steer you because there is limitations but they can give their thoughts. Usually the rental rates will give you an idea of the type of area

 Yes! And that's all we're looking for. Just thoughts and a ballpark. Can we get a good cash flow? Things like that. I think it all comes down to the realtor. Thank you for responding!

Originally posted by @Shawn Mcenteer:

@Jeff Terry  I think both of your questions under those contexts are difficult to answer.  Back tracking a little bit have you had a discussion with your agent regarding your goals and what you are looking to get out of your investment properties?  Who's to say a warzone is not a good neighborhood for rentals if the numbers work.  If someone is suggesting work to be done to a unit and they are not backing it up with numbers to me that is slightly odd.  So my question is are you making rehab suggestions or is your realtor? 

 We assumed we were clear with expressing our intentions/goals. But maybe wires got crossed since we have dual goals of securing a property to live in and properties to invest in. And it might be simpler if we engage her for our home and use a different realtor for our investments. 

Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

If they comment on the quality of the neighborhood, and there is a Fair Housing tester making that call, they may end up with a $16,000 fine for illegal steering.

 Your response and several others have made this point perfectly clear and I appreciate it. I'd never want to put any realtor in professional/legal jeopardy. I'll be sure to rethink my questions that might come off as steering. 

Originally posted by @Dave Poeppelmeier:

Yes @Jeff Terry, there are things that we as Realtors can and cannot say, such as answer "is this a good neighborhood for rentals?" Well, any neighborhood can be good for rentals as long as the numbers work out. Regarding rehab estimates, they should be able to saw what a house needs to be rent ready regarding the class of the neighborhood (you're not putting granite countertops in a D neighborhood and you're not getting the cheapest carpet possible for an A neighborhood), but to start giving you actual rehab estimates starts to get into the grey area. You really do need a Realtor who is also an Investor to truly see these properties through their eyes. However, it's up to you to educate yourself on what prices for floors, painting, appliances, etc are in your area. You can contact a local flooring company or go to Home Depot and see what general cost per sq foot are for carpet, vinyl plank, etc and take your room measurements from the MLS listing (or bring a tape measure on the showing) and go to town. Find out what appliances are going to cost for the grade required for the neighborhood. Are you going to do sweat equity of painting or fixing things yourself? Find some local investors here on BP for that area, they can likely point you in the direction of trusted companies that can help you with these estimates as well. If you do this enough, you won't need your Realtor to tell you because you'll be an experienced Investor.

 Thank you Dave. The granite countertops and cheap carpet examples are exactly the types of insights we were hoping for. As well as being pointed in the direction of GCs and PMs. Most of what we are asking for is info into the area and the people so we can follow those leads and educate ourselves. Just a jumping off point. 

And yes, while we're out of state, we'll need partners there, but once we relocate, I plan on putting in some sweat equity and being much more hands on. Maybe even managing a few of the properties myself. 

Originally posted by @Joshua Adlam:

@Jeff Terry

I personally dont think you are asking to much from a realtor. You are just asking to much from this realtor. From my experience as a property manager, most realtors do not understand the mind frame of an investor. The are focused on selling you a house to gain a commission. Always ask realtors do you invest in real estate yourself. You definitely want to find and agent who can understand where you are coming from.

Very true! But to put another wrinkle in the discussion, this realtor just revealed that she also flips homes. My wife and I were a little shocked because we just assumed she didn't have the investor mindset. Now we're wondering if she sees us as competition. Thank you for responding. 

Originally posted by @Waylon Zook:

@Jeff Terry is this a good neighborhood for rentals is somewhat a tricky question. The agent may be fearful of getting in trouble over the fair housing laws. I hear there are people out there testing agents for violations of this sort of thing and since he probably doesnt know you well doesnt want to answer.

Yeah I can see that, and perhaps I need to rethink my questions. We're really trying to gauge if the neighborhood is flooded with rentals or desirable for young professionals, access to nightlife and jobs and commute-friendly. I don't like not knowing and need to learn the city myself and there's no substitute for that. Thanks for responding!

Originally posted by @Brian Hendrie:

Are you in the stage of running numbers on potential investments yet? If so, and need a hand please send me a message. I consult with new investors to help them make strong investment decisions in order to ensure longevity in the real estate game. Strong financial forecasting and building the right team in a market make all the difference!


Best,

Brian H 

 Thank you, Brian. Yeah we're running the numbers (and little else) I'll take you up on your offer!

Originally posted by @Damaso Bautista:


When I bought a home in Bloomington, Indiana, I got my realtor from these forums, he was also an investor so he knew how to answer all of the questions I wanted answered.

Thank you! This is likely how we'll pursue our future partnerships. 
And Bloomington is beautiful, BTW.

My wife and I are planning on relocating to East Tennessee to live and invest. We don't know much about the region other than what our research churns up (numbers, market forecasts, Google Earth views) and we really need a trusted partner to fill in those blind spots. 

Recently we've engaged with a realtor in Knoxville who has been willing to show us properties and fill in some details that aren't on the MLS listing. But when we ask "Is this a good neighborhood for rentals?" or "In your opinion, how many thousands will a rehab cost?" we get nothing. To the first question it's usually, "I have no idea," and to the second question, our agent won't even offer an estimate, a ballpark. We know that estimating a firm number on a rehab is somewhat foolish (things often go way over budget) but we are looking for a starting point and find a dead end.

My question to you fine folks: Am I expecting too much? I don't want to have someone do all our work and maybe I'm being a little selfish here. But this could be a beneficial relationship for us both as we plan on buying a 4 bedroom house to live in as well as several properties to rent for cash flow. 

I really don't know.